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Vertigo
10-19-2009, 04:40 AM
I was looking for a Weezing Analysis and saw we didn't have one :o

Sooo, here you go <33

Weezing

http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/Weezing.png

Summary:

Most used set:

Weezings most common and most used set it the Elemental display set which it uses a variety of different type attacks to try and defeat a variety of different Pokemon. It also features the infamous BoltBeaming combo.

Usual counters:

A Psychic type Pokemon in general with a decently good Psychic type attack OHKOs Weezing. Blissey continues to work as a special wall and doesn't care about Will-O-Wisp. Although Pain Split is horribly annoying. Think of Alakazam, Azelf, Cresselia, Gardevoir, Slowbro, the former two are a little more fragile, but Alakazam and Grdevoir are able to reflect back Will-O-Wisp at you due to Synchronize.

Heatran completely dominates Weezing, being it's best counter in the game. It's nearly as if Heatran was made to stop Weezing it is that good at countering it. Heatran the mobile active volcano gets a nice big boost from Will-O-Wisp and other possible fire moves Weezing is using. It is immune to Poison attacks and resists Explosion. Because of Weezings low Special Defense, Heatran completely wrecks it with STAB Fire-type moves.

Just behind Heatran is any other Fire-type Pokemon really. Flash Fire Pokemon especially. In particular, Caperupt which resists it's Sludge Bomb and Infernape who is quite common. In general, if you're a special attacker packing something neutral and decently powered, chances are Weezing does not want to meet you.

Types of Teams Pokemon Is Used In:

Weezing is usually used in UU balanced as a physical wall and variety attacker. Weezing can also be featured in balanced UU teams as the same role.

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Standard @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpA
Relaxed Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice
- Explosion / Pain Split

Weezings premiere set of all time, set of which that can save a somewhat frail team from being swept by the offensive threats that you see in the common metagame everyday, UU offensive threats and better yet even tough offensive OU threats. Although, it is only really classified as a sponge, it can effectively counter those Physical figthers like Breloom, Heracross, Scizor, Lucario and totally pulvirizes Gyarados.

Having it holding Hidden Power Ice is a great thing for dragons such as Dragonite and can even 2HKO standard Yache Dragonite. As well as other dragons too. 80 Special Attack EVs are used to 2HKO the standard Skaemory with its Flamethrower.

To summarize all of the above that into simple terms -- Thunderbolt hits Gyarados; HP Ice hits physical Salamence and any Flygon; and Flamethrower hits Heracross, Lucario, Metagross, Skarmory, Forretress, Abomasnow, Scizor, and Roserade for super effective damage, while Fire Blast can guarantee a OHKO on Abomasnow and a 2HKO on Roserade.

Pain Split versus Explosion is simply personal preference. If scraping by and surviving as long as possible is the style of play, then by all means choose Pain Split. However, note that Explosion can help deal massive damage to late game stat boosters and allow a no risk switch in to the appropriate counter, since Explosion faints Weezing.

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Physical Tank @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp / Haze
- Pain Split

This set boasts a slight change to the set just above. It begins to have more focus on the defensive and support side of things. Gyarados won't be a problem as Weezing is carrying Thunderbolt and Fire attacks take out Scizor, Lucario, Heracross. Will-O-Wisp is perfect for crippling physical attackers, in particular the ones Weezing cannot deal damage to directly, including the likes of Tyranitar and Band Flygon. Haze is great for hindering physical sweepers trying to set up or baton pass teams.

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RestTalk @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Fire Blast
- Thunder / Will-O-Wisp
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

This set uses the RestTalk combo while also using an elemental range of attacks and status inducing abilities. This set can be underated quite alot and can be a huge suprise to Gyarados users! Weezing uses Rest, your opponent switches to Gyarados to set-up and/or Taunt, and then Sleep Talk selects Thunder or Will-O-Wisp to cripple Gyarados. Thunder or Will-O-Wisp are also very helpful for UU play too. Weezing makes a very good switch into Grass-type Pokemon such as Breloom and Venusaur. Unlike other sets Weezing is using Rest instead of Pain Split, which isn't really the most effecient and reliable recovery move in the game, anyone who ever used it while their opponent switched to a Pokémon on low health will know that. Rest isn't the best either, but coupled with Sleep Talk it gives Weezing about the same durability.

Other Options

Taunt can be an intruiging option to stop slower things from inflicting status problems or from recovering. Using Curse could be good if Weezing had any other physical attacks reaming, but it's only two options are Gyro Ball and Payback. Not to meantion Weezings Special Defense is not so good. Memento and Destiny Bond are two alternate suicidal moves for Weezing. Destiny Bond isn't very suitable with Weezing's low Speed, but Memento can work if you really need a crippled opponent to set up your next Pokémon, for example a Belly Drummer or Agility user etc.

Black Sludge is an alternative hold item to Leftovers in an Item Clause situation, but otherwise shouldn't be used. It may sound appetizing at first to punish Pokemon using Trick, but that only gives the Tricker another weapon to use against other Pokemon which is not really worth it.

Weezings Sludge Bomb, despite having STAB to boost is not much use to Weezing as it offers poor tyoe coveredge and alot of the Grass-types can be take care of with more useful fire attacks like Flamethrower and Fire Blast. Hidden Power Fighting hurts Tyranitar a little bit, although you'd be better off by burning it with Will-O-Wisp. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse hit Azelf and Gengar. Hidden Power Ground takes Heatran by suprise and are easily 2HKOed.

Opinion

Heracross' worst enemy is Weezing and up against other Fighting-type Pokemon too. With excellent resitances to threatning moves like Megahorn, Close Combat, and even Focus Punch plus Ground type immunity to furhter extend that he's not going to be going anywhere soon. Unfortuneately the change from ADV to eventuallyHGSS was not very kind to Weezing. He got no real improvements, and with the exception of Explosion, he no longer has any moves to use with his decent physical Attack. The fact that Salamence, Gyarados, Medicham and Heracross all got moves to hit him harder with doesn't help either. In spite of those drawbacks, Weezing is still good at what he does, but it's hard to shrug off these problems.

mosers15
10-19-2009, 07:03 PM
The only set that I would mention is a choice specs/scarf set. While it may seem stupid, it is viable due to it's decent special atk and if it's timid, it outruns base 95 pokemon who run max speed, which is kind of nice.


Another lolz set I've used is gyro ball, curse, gunk shot, rest, but it's completely gimmick and it isn't worth mentioning lololol

Good analysis ^^

Vertigo
10-20-2009, 04:50 AM
Alright Mosers.
I might if I get the time (schools pretty busy) add a choice set for Weezing :]

PLDH-MajeSan
10-20-2009, 01:08 PM
Weezing doesn't get enough physical attacks with coverage to make a Choice Band set worth anything, base 70 attacks is too low to make a Choice Specs set viable (most special sweepers can hit harder without specs), and its speed is so bad Scarf would be pointless.

Also, I have the same gripe with the first sentence of the third paragraph on the standard set as Smogon's (since they're the same) -- it's a huge run-on sentence; there's no need for so many conjunctions. Split it up into two distinct parts.

Vertigo
10-20-2009, 07:09 PM
Done.

GarcianSmith
10-20-2009, 08:11 PM
changes made in bold. Also, I'll take out sentences that I felt to be unnecessary or awkward.


I was looking for a Weezing Analysis and saw we didn't have one :o

Sooo, here you go <33

Weezing

http://arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/Weezing.png

Summary:

Most used set:

Weezings most used set it the Elemental display set which it uses a variety of different type attacks to try and defeat a variety of different Pokemon. It also features the infamous BoltBeam combo.

Usual counters:

Psychic-type Pokemon in general with a decent Psychic-type attack OHKOs Weezing. Blissey continues to work as a special wall and doesn't care about Will-O-Wisp. Although Pain Split is horribly annoying. Think of Alakazam, Azelf, Cresselia, Gardevoir, Slowbro. The former two are a little more fragile, but Alakazam and Gardevoir are able to burn Weezing if it uses Will-O-Wisp due to Synchronize.

Heatran completely dominates Weezing, being it's best counter in the game. Heatran gets a nice big boost from Will-O-Wisp and other Fire-type moves Weezing might be using. It is immune to Poison-type attacks and resists Explosion. Because of Weezings low Special Defense, Heatran completely wrecks it with STAB Fire-type moves.

Just behind Heatran is any other Fire-type Pokemon really. Flash Fire Pokemon especially. Camerupt resists Weezing's Sludge Bomb and Fire-type attacks; he is also immune to Weezing's Electric-type attacks. In general, if you're a special attacker packing something neutral and decently powered, chances are Weezing does not want to meet you.

Types of Teams Pokemon Is Used In:

Weezing is usually used in balanced UU teams as a physical wall and also as an attacker with good variety. Weezing can also be featured in defensive UU teams as the same role.

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pokemon/110-m.png
Standard @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpA
Relaxed Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice
- Explosion / Pain Split

Weezings premiere set, it's a set that can save a somewhat frail team from being swept by the offensive threats that you see in the metagame today in both UU and even OU. Although it is only really classified as a sponge, it can effectively counter those physical Fighting-types like Breloom, Heracross, Scizor, Lucario and Gyarados.

Hidden Power Ice is great for Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Weezing can even 2HKO standard Yache Dragonite, as well as other dragons too. 80 Special Attack EVs are used to 2HKO the standard Skarmory with its Flamethrower.

To summarize all of the above that into simple terms -- Thunderbolt hits Gyarados; HP Ice hits physical Salamence, Dragonite and any Flygon; and Flamethrower hits Heracross, Lucario, Metagross, Skarmory, Forretress, Abomasnow, Scizor, and Roserade for super effective damage, while Fire Blast can guarantee a OHKO on Abomasnow and a 2HKO on Roserade.

Pain Split versus Explosion is simply personal preference. If scraping by and surviving as long as possible is the style of play, then by all means choose Pain Split. However, note that Explosion can help deal massive damage to late game stat boosters and allow a no risk switch in to the appropriate counter, since Explosion faints Weezing.

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pokemon/110-m.png
Physical Tank @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp / Haze
- Pain Split

This set boasts a slight change to the set just above. It has more focus on the defensive and support side of things. Gyarados won't be a problem as Weezing is carrying Thunderbolt and Fire-type attacks take out Scizor, Lucario, Heracross. Will-O-Wisp is perfect for crippling physical attackers, in particular the ones Weezing cannot deal considerable damage to directly, including the likes of Tyranitar and Choice Band Flygon. Haze is great for hindering physical sweepers trying to set up or baton pass teams.

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RestTalk @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
Ability: Levitate
- Fire Blast
- Thunder / Will-O-Wisp
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

This set uses the RestTalk combo while also attempting to hit hard with strong attacks or spread status. This set is quite under rated and can be a huge surprise to physical sweepers who expect to set up in your face. Weezing uses Rest, your opponent switches to Gyarados to set-up and/or Taunt, and then Sleep Talk could select Thunder or Will-O-Wisp to cripple Gyarados. Thunder or Will-O-Wisp are also very helpful for UU play too. Weezing makes a very good switch into Grass-type Pokemon such as Breloom and Venusaur. Unlike other sets, Weezing is using Rest instead of Pain Split, which isn't really the most efficient or reliable recovery move in the game, anyone who ever used it while their opponent switched to a Pokémon on low health will know that. Rest isn't the best either, but coupled with Sleep Talk it gives Weezing about the same durability.

Other Options

Taunt can be an intriguing option to stop slower things from inflicting status problems or from recovering. Using Curse could be good if Weezing had any other physical attacks reaming, but it's only two options are Gyro Ball and Payback, not to mention Weezing's Special Defense is not so good. Memento and Destiny Bond are two alternate suicidal moves for Weezing. Destiny Bond isn't very suitable with Weezing's low Speed, but Memento can work if you really need a crippled opponent to set up your next Pokémon, for example a Belly Drummer or an Agility user etc.

Black Sludge is an alternative hold item to Leftovers in an Item Clause situation, but otherwise shouldn't be used. It may sound appetizing at first to punish Pokemon using Trick, but that only gives the Trick user another weapon to use against other Pokemon which is not really worth it.

Weezing's Sludge Bomb, despite having STAB to boost it is not much use to Weezing as it offers poor type coverage and a lot of the Grass-types can be taken care of with more useful Fire-type attacks like Flamethrower and Fire Blast. Hidden Power Fighting hurts Tyranitar a little bit, although you'd be better off by burning it with Will-O-Wisp. Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse hit Azelf and Gengar. Hidden Power Ground takes Heatran by surprise and are easily 2HKOed.

Opinion

Heracross' worst enemy is Weezing and some other Fighting-types share that sentiment. With excellent resistances to threatening to moves like Megahorn, Close Combat, and even Focus Punch plus Ground type immunity to further extend his potential longevity. Unfortunately the change from ADV to HG/SS was not very kind to Weezing. He got no real improvements, and with the exception of Explosion, he no longer has any moves to use with his decent physical Attack. The fact that Salamence, Gyarados, Medicham and Heracross all got moves to hit him harder with doesn't help either. In spite of those drawbacks, Weezing is still good at what he does, but it's hard to shrug off these problems.

Iris
10-20-2009, 09:45 PM
LO sets are viable and have been used to great success on a bulky UU offensive team by me and Thund on the smogon UU ladder

Vertigo
10-21-2009, 06:30 AM
Thanks GS for the edits made.
God Job :).