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06-18-2010, 07:54 PM
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This is more of a research than a guide. The purpose of this research is to find best EV spread and Nature for a Pokemon and it's corresponding set. This will help us better understand and perfect our Pokemon EVs and Nature spreads to obtain the best possible spread. These spreads will be used for the Pokemon analyses on the site (http://teamuber.net/).
Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 1 - SpecsOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)
From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- Water Spout + Rain does 54.5% - 64.1% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 89.7% - 105.6% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- Water Spout does 63.2% - 74.4% to Rayquaza.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- Water Spout + Rain will always OHKO Wobbuffet. Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Surf + Rain does will always OHKO Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Water Spout + Rain does 101% - 119% 252 HP Lugia.
- Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout does 54.8% - 64.6% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.
Max SpAtk Modest Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- Water Spout + Rain does 59.9% - 70.5% to 252 HP + 252 SDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 98.2% - 115.8% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7%.
- Water Spout does 69.2% - 81.8% to Rayquaza.
- Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout + Rain does 60% - 70.9% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for SpecsOgre:
#1 Kyogre @ Choice Specs + Timid/Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 2 - ScarfOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Scarf
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216 (324 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279 (418 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed is 306 (459 with Scarf).
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 459 speed and NOT 418:
- Scarf Dialga (Speed Tie)
- Scarf Jolly Heracross (w/ 443)
- DD + Rayquaza (w/ 434)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 418 speed and NOT 324:
- Scarf Heatran (w/ 418)
- Scarf Adamant Heracross (w/ 404)
- Deoxys-A, Deoxys (w/ 400)
- Mewtwo (w/ 395)
- Shaymin-s (w/ 389)
From the above stats, we can see that it's better to go with more power over more speed. As it's very unnecessary to make Scarf Kyogre Timid Nature as DD Rayquaza and Scarf Jolly Heracross are very uncommon.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Scarf Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- Thunder does 69.6% - 82.5% to non-bulky Kyogre.
- Ice Beam does 37% - 44% to Scarf Dialga.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 42.4% - 50.2% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Darkrai.
- Surf + Rain does 54% - 63.6% to Wobbuffet. Water Spout + Rain does 84.8% - 100%.
- Surf + Rain does 50.5% - 59.7% to Careful + 252 HP + 252 SpDef Jirachi. Water Spout + Rain does 79.7% - 94.3%.
- Surf + Rain does 90.5% - 107.3% to Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 41.3% - 48.6% to Latios.
- Water Spout + Rain does 40.2% - 47.4% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for ScarfOgre:
#1 Kyogre @ Choice Scarf + Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 3 - CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)
From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- +1 CM Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- +1 CM Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- +1 CM Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for CM Ogre:
#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Timid + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 4 - Bulky CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder / Substitute / Rest
Experiment #1 (Defenses)
- Needs 176 HP EVs in order to survive a Thunder from Specs Kyogre.
- Needs 164 HP EVs in order to survive a LO EQ from Groudon after SR damage.
- Needs 240 HP EVs in order to survive LO + DD + Dragon Claw from Rayquaza.
- Needs 252 HP EVs in order to survive +1 CM Thunder from Mewtwo.
- Needs 156 HP EVs in order to survive a CB Outrage from Garchomp.
- Needs 220 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from Latios.
- Needs 176 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from LO Deoxys-A.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk
Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- +1 CM Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7% Scarf Dialga.
- +1 CM Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Bulky CM Ogre:
#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Modest + 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Spe
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This is more of a research than a guide. The purpose of this research is to find best EV spread and Nature for a Pokemon and it's corresponding set. This will help us better understand and perfect our Pokemon EVs and Nature spreads to obtain the best possible spread. These spreads will be used for the Pokemon analyses on the site (http://teamuber.net/).
Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 1 - SpecsOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)
From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- Water Spout + Rain does 54.5% - 64.1% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 89.7% - 105.6% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- Water Spout does 63.2% - 74.4% to Rayquaza.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- Water Spout + Rain will always OHKO Wobbuffet. Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Surf + Rain does will always OHKO Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Water Spout + Rain does 101% - 119% 252 HP Lugia.
- Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout does 54.8% - 64.6% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.
Max SpAtk Modest Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- Water Spout + Rain does 59.9% - 70.5% to 252 HP + 252 SDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 98.2% - 115.8% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7%.
- Water Spout does 69.2% - 81.8% to Rayquaza.
- Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout + Rain does 60% - 70.9% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for SpecsOgre:
#1 Kyogre @ Choice Specs + Timid/Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 2 - ScarfOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Scarf
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216 (324 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279 (418 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed is 306 (459 with Scarf).
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 459 speed and NOT 418:
- Scarf Dialga (Speed Tie)
- Scarf Jolly Heracross (w/ 443)
- DD + Rayquaza (w/ 434)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 418 speed and NOT 324:
- Scarf Heatran (w/ 418)
- Scarf Adamant Heracross (w/ 404)
- Deoxys-A, Deoxys (w/ 400)
- Mewtwo (w/ 395)
- Shaymin-s (w/ 389)
From the above stats, we can see that it's better to go with more power over more speed. As it's very unnecessary to make Scarf Kyogre Timid Nature as DD Rayquaza and Scarf Jolly Heracross are very uncommon.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Scarf Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- Thunder does 69.6% - 82.5% to non-bulky Kyogre.
- Ice Beam does 37% - 44% to Scarf Dialga.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 42.4% - 50.2% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Darkrai.
- Surf + Rain does 54% - 63.6% to Wobbuffet. Water Spout + Rain does 84.8% - 100%.
- Surf + Rain does 50.5% - 59.7% to Careful + 252 HP + 252 SpDef Jirachi. Water Spout + Rain does 79.7% - 94.3%.
- Surf + Rain does 90.5% - 107.3% to Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 41.3% - 48.6% to Latios.
- Water Spout + Rain does 40.2% - 47.4% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for ScarfOgre:
#1 Kyogre @ Choice Scarf + Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 3 - CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder
Experiment #1(Speed)
Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)
Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)
From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- +1 CM Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- +1 CM Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- +1 CM Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.
Experiment #3 (Defenses)
Kyogre with no defensive EVs:
- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for CM Ogre:
#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Timid + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png
Set 4 - Bulky CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder / Substitute / Rest
Experiment #1 (Defenses)
- Needs 176 HP EVs in order to survive a Thunder from Specs Kyogre.
- Needs 164 HP EVs in order to survive a LO EQ from Groudon after SR damage.
- Needs 240 HP EVs in order to survive LO + DD + Dragon Claw from Rayquaza.
- Needs 252 HP EVs in order to survive +1 CM Thunder from Mewtwo.
- Needs 156 HP EVs in order to survive a CB Outrage from Garchomp.
- Needs 220 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from Latios.
- Needs 176 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from LO Deoxys-A.
Experiment #2 (SpAtk)
Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk
Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- +1 CM Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7% Scarf Dialga.
- +1 CM Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.
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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Bulky CM Ogre:
#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Modest + 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Spe
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