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Eternal
06-18-2010, 07:54 PM
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This is more of a research than a guide. The purpose of this research is to find best EV spread and Nature for a Pokemon and it's corresponding set. This will help us better understand and perfect our Pokemon EVs and Nature spreads to obtain the best possible spread. These spreads will be used for the Pokemon analyses on the site (http://teamuber.net/).

Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png

Set 1 - SpecsOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Specs
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder

Experiment #1(Speed)

Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)

From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.

Experiment #2 (SpAtk)

Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- Water Spout + Rain does 54.5% - 64.1% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 89.7% - 105.6% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- Water Spout does 63.2% - 74.4% to Rayquaza.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- Water Spout + Rain will always OHKO Wobbuffet. Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Surf + Rain does will always OHKO Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Water Spout + Rain does 101% - 119% 252 HP Lugia.
- Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout does 54.8% - 64.6% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.

Max SpAtk Modest Kyogre's Power:
- Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- Water Spout + Rain does 59.9% - 70.5% to 252 HP + 252 SDef Careful Dialga. Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6%.
- Water Spout + Rain does 98.2% - 115.8% to Scarf Dialga. Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7%.
- Water Spout does 69.2% - 81.8% to Rayquaza.
- Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- Water Spout + Rain does 60% - 70.9% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.
- Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.

Experiment #3 (Defenses)

Kyogre with no defensive EVs:

- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for SpecsOgre:

#1 Kyogre @ Choice Specs + Timid/Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png

Set 2 - ScarfOgre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Choice Scarf
Moves: Water Spout / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder

Experiment #1(Speed)

Kyogre's minimum speed is 216 (324 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279 (418 with Scarf). Kyogre's max speed is 306 (459 with Scarf).

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 459 speed and NOT 418:
- Scarf Dialga (Speed Tie)
- Scarf Jolly Heracross (w/ 443)
- DD + Rayquaza (w/ 434)

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 418 speed and NOT 324:
- Scarf Heatran (w/ 418)
- Scarf Adamant Heracross (w/ 404)
- Deoxys-A, Deoxys (w/ 400)
- Mewtwo (w/ 395)
- Shaymin-s (w/ 389)

From the above stats, we can see that it's better to go with more power over more speed. As it's very unnecessary to make Scarf Kyogre Timid Nature as DD Rayquaza and Scarf Jolly Heracross are very uncommon.

Experiment #2 (SpAtk)

Scarf Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- Thunder does 69.6% - 82.5% to non-bulky Kyogre.
- Ice Beam does 37% - 44% to Scarf Dialga.
- Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to non-bulky Mewtwo.
- Thunder does 42.4% - 50.2% to Scarf Palkia.
- Surf + Rain will always OHKO Darkrai.
- Surf + Rain does 54% - 63.6% to Wobbuffet. Water Spout + Rain does 84.8% - 100%.
- Surf + Rain does 50.5% - 59.7% to Careful + 252 HP + 252 SpDef Jirachi. Water Spout + Rain does 79.7% - 94.3%.
- Surf + Rain does 90.5% - 107.3% to Garchomp.
- Ice Beam does 41.3% - 48.6% to Latios.
- Water Spout + Rain does 40.2% - 47.4% to 252 SpDef Calm Blissey.

Experiment #3 (Defenses)

Kyogre with no defensive EVs:

- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for ScarfOgre:

#1 Kyogre @ Choice Scarf + Modest + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png

Set 3 - CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder

Experiment #1(Speed)

Kyogre's minimum speed is 216. Kyogre's max speed without speed nature is 279. Kyogre's max speed is 306.

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Jolly Heracross, Toxicroak (w/ 296)
- Giratina-O, Dialga, Rayquaza (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)

From the above statistics we can see that Kyogre needs max speed in order to out speed all it's threats. Especially being able to speed tie against max speed Dialga, Giratina(-O), Groudon, Ho-oh, Lucario.

Experiment #2 (SpAtk)

Max SpAtk Timid Kyogre's Power:
- +1 CM Thunder does 95.3% - 112.3% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 30.7% - 36.1%.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.4% - 59.8%.
- +1 CM Surf will always OHKO Groudon.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain will always OHKO Scizor.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 87.6% - 103.4% to +1 CM non-bulky Mewtwo.
- +1 CM Thunder does 58.3% - 68.5% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 87.1% - 102.9% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 73.5% - 86.6% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 69.3% - 81.7% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 70.9% - 83.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 50.5% - 59.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 72.1% - 85.1% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 58.4% - 68.8% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 43.1% - 50.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Calm Ludicolo.

Experiment #3 (Defenses)

Kyogre with no defensive EVs:

- Scarf Kyogre's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- Scarf Dialga's Thunder does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- LO EQ from Groudon does 82.7% - 97.7%.
- Draco Meteor from LO Rayquaza does 72.2% - 85.4%.
- Dragon Claw from Adamant LO Rayquaza does 66.7% - 78.4%.
- CB U-turn from Scizor does 59.9% - 71.1%.
- Thunder from Scarf Palkia does 63.7% - 75.4%.
- NP + Dark Pulse + LO from Darkrai does 76.3% - 89.8%.
- Outrage from Scarf Garchomp does 62.6% - 74%.
- Outrage from CB Garchomp does 94.2% - 110.8%.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for CM Ogre:

#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Timid + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Kyogre
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mkyogre.png

Set 4 - Bulky CM Ogre
Ability: Drizzle
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Calm / Surf / Ice Beam / Thunder / Substitute / Rest

Experiment #1 (Defenses)

- Needs 176 HP EVs in order to survive a Thunder from Specs Kyogre.
- Needs 164 HP EVs in order to survive a LO EQ from Groudon after SR damage.
- Needs 240 HP EVs in order to survive LO + DD + Dragon Claw from Rayquaza.
- Needs 252 HP EVs in order to survive +1 CM Thunder from Mewtwo.
- Needs 156 HP EVs in order to survive a CB Outrage from Garchomp.
- Needs 220 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from Latios.
- Needs 176 HP EVs to survive a Grass Knot from LO Deoxys-A.

Experiment #2 (SpAtk)

Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk

Modest Kyogre + Max SpAtk:
- +1 CM Thunder does 104.7% - 123.4% to non-bulky Kyogres. 88.6% - 104.5% to 252 HP Kyogre (100% OHKO with SR up).
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 33.7% - 39.6% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 55.7% - 65.7% Scarf Dialga.
- +1 CM Thunder does 63.6% - 75.1% to Scarf Palkia.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 80.7% - 95.1% to Wobbuffet.
- +1 CM Surf + Rain does 75.7% - 89.4% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Jirachi.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 77.5% - 91.4% to Latios.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 56% - 65.9% to 252 HP Latias.
- +1 CM Thunder does 78.8% - 93.3% to 252 HP Lugia.
- +1 CM Ice Beam does 63.6% - 75.1% to 252 HP Giratina.
- +1 CM Thunder does 47.3% - 55.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Calm Ludicolo.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Bulky CM Ogre:

#1 Kyogre @ Leftovers + Modest + 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Spe
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Eternal
06-19-2010, 08:07 AM
Pokemon - Dialga
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mdialga.png

Set 1 - Mixed Attacker
Ability: Pressure
Item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
Moves: Draco Meteor / Fire Blast / Outrage / Thunder / Stealth Rock / Earth Power

Experiment #1 (Speed)

Dialga's minimum speed is 216. Dialga's max speed without speed nature is 279. Dialga's max speed is 306.

Pokemon that Dialga can out speed with 306 and NOT 279:
- Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Adamant Rayquaza, Giratina-O, Dialga (w/ 291)
- Shiftry, Kabutops, Mamoswine (w/ 285)

Pokemon that Dialga can out speed with 279 and NOT 216:
- Neutral Max Speed Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Lucario (Speed Tie)
- Timid Heatran (w/ 279)
- Neutral Lugia (w/ 257)
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 237)
- Neutral Ho-oh, Dialga (w/ 225)
- Abomasnow, Magnezone (w/ 220)

From the above statistics we can see that Dialga wants to be max speed in order to be able to out speed all its threats and sweep.

Experiment #2 (Atk + SpAtk)

- 252 SpAtk EVs Draco Meteor does 72.2% - 85.4% to Kyogre. Need 220 EVs in SpAtk to 2HKO non-bulky Leftovers Kyogre with Draco Meteor.
- Needs 200 SpAtk EVs in order to OHKO Scarf Dialga with Draco Meteor after SR damage. Needs 252 SpAtk EVs in oder to be able to 2HKO 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga with Earth Power.
- Needs 252 SpAtk EVs in order to OHKO LO Groudon with Draco Meteor. 252 SpAtk EVs Draco Meteor does 89.4% - 105.4% to 252 HP Groudon.
- Needs 216 SpAtk EVs in order to OHKO non-bulky Mewtwo with Draco Meteor.
- Needs 252 SpAtk EVs in order to be able to 2HKO Wobbuffet with Draco Meteor.
- Needs 252 SpAtk in order to defeat 252 SpDef + 252 HP Careful Jirachi in Rain with Fire Blast.
- 0 EV Atk Outrage 2HKO's 252 Def Blissey.
- 252 SpAtk Thunder 2HKOs 252 HP Ho-oh and Lugia.
- Needs 252 SpAtk in order to OHKO 252 HP Bronzong with Fire Blast.

Experiment #3 (Defenses)

Dialga with no defensive EVs:
- Ice Beam from Scarf Kyogre does 33.3% - 39.8%.
- Draco Meteor from 252 EV SpAtk Dialga does 74.3% - 87.7%.
- Outrage from Jolly LO Rayquaza does 78.9% - 93%.
- Aura Sphere from 252 SpAtk Leftovers Mewtwo does 65.5% - 77.2%. With LO it does 84.8% - 100%.
- Spacial Rend from Scarf Palkia does 53.2% - 63.2%.
- Draco Meteor from Mix Giratina-O does 64.9% - 77.2%.
- Dragon Pulse from Latios does 64.3% - 76%.
- Earth Power from Scarf Shaymin-s does 54.4% - 64.3%.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Mix Attacker Dialga:

#1 Dialga @ Life Orb / Expert Belt + Hasty + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Dialga
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mdialga.png

Set 2 - Scarf Dialga
Ability: Pressure
Item: Choice Scarf
Moves: Draco Meteor / Thunder / Fire Blast / Aura Sphere / Dragon Pulse / Outrage

Experiment #1 (Speed)

Dialga's minimum speed is 216 (324 with Scarf). Dialga's max speed without speed nature is 279 (418 with Scarf). Dialga's max speed is 306 (459 with Scarf).

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 459 speed and NOT 418:
- Scarf Kyogre, Dialga (Speed Tie)
- Scarf Jolly Heracross (w/ 443)
- Adamant DD + Rayquaza (w/ 434)

Pokemon that Kyogre can out speed with 418 speed and NOT 324:
- Scarf Heatran (w/ 418)
- Scarf Adamant Heracross (w/ 404)
- Deoxys-A, Deoxys (w/ 400)
- Mewtwo (w/ 395)
- Shaymin-s (w/ 389)

From the above statistics we can see that the only reason you would want Dialga to be max speed would be to Speed tie against Scarf Kyogre and Dialga, as Jolly Scarf Heracross and DD Rayquaza are very rare. So it's a better option to invest on power over speed.

Experiment #2 (SpAtk)

Max SpAtk EVs + Modest Dialga:
- Thunder does 69.6% - 82.5% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- Draco Meteor does 81.9% - 96.5% to non-bulky Dialgas. 50% - 58.9% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga.
- Draco Meteor will always OHKO Darkrai. Aura Sphere does 92.9% - 109.9%.
- Draco Meteor does 53% - 62.5% to Wobbuffet. Dragon Pulse does 34.1% - 40.3%.
- Fire Blast does 56.9% - 67.3% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Jirachi.
- Dragon Pulse will always OHKO Garchomp.
- Draco Meteor will always OHKO Latios. Dragon Pulse does 73.5% - 87.4%.
- Thunder does 52.9% - 62.5% to Lugia.
- Draco Meteor does 103.5% - 121.9% to non-bulky Shaymin-s. Fire Blast will always OHKO.
- 0 EV Atk Outrage does 41.4% - 48.8% to 252 Def Blissey.
- Draco Meteor does 94.2% - 110.9% to Giratina.
- Dragon Pulse does 91.2% - 107.5% to non-bulky Giratina-O.
- Fire Blast will always OHKO Lucario in Rain. Aura Sphere will always OHKO Lucario.
- Fire Blast does 83.4% - 98.2% to 252 HP Bronzong.

Experiment #3 (Defenses)

Dialga with no defensive EVs:
- Ice Beam from Scarf Kyogre does 33.3% - 39.8%.
- Draco Meteor from 252 EV SpAtk Dialga does 74.3% - 87.7%.
- Outrage from Jolly LO Rayquaza does 78.9% - 93%.
- Aura Sphere from 252 SpAtk Leftovers Mewtwo does 65.5% - 77.2%. With LO it does 84.8% - 100%.
- Spacial Rend from Scarf Palkia does 53.2% - 63.2%.
- Draco Meteor from Mix Giratina-O does 64.9% - 77.2%.
- Dragon Pulse from Latios does 64.3% - 76%.
- Earth Power from Scarf Shaymin-s does 54.4% - 64.3%.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Mix Attacker Dialga:

#1 Dialga @ Choice Scarf + Timid/Hasty + 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
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Pokemon - Dialga
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mdialga.png

Set 3 - Bulky Up
Ability: Pressure
Item: Leftovers
Moves: Bulk Up / Outrage / Rest / Sleep Talk

Experiment #1 (Defenses)

- Water Spout from Choice Specs Kyogre does 54.5% - 64.1% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga. 47.5% - 55.9% after SR damage (Dialga can live two Water Spouts).
- Water Spout from Choice Scarf Kyogre does 36.4% - 42.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- Earthquake from LO Groudon does 73.3% - 86.6% to +1 Bulk Up 252 HP Dialga. Earthquake from Support Groudon does 53.5% - 62.9% to +1 Bulk Up 252 HP Dialga.
- Draco Meteor from LO 252 SpAtk Rayquaza does 58.9% - 69.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- Focus Blast from LO Darkrai does 62.4% - 73.8% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- +1 CM Aura Sphere from Mewtwo does 59.4% - 70.3% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.
- Spacial Rend does 32.7% - 38.6% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Dialga.
- Draco Meteor from Mix Giratina-O does 39.6% - 47% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef Careful Dialga. And Earthquake does 43.6% - 51.5%.
- Dragon Pulse from Latios does 39.6% - 46.5% to 252 HP + 252 SpDef + Careful Dialga.

Experiment #2 (Attack)

0 EV Atk Careful Dialga:
- +1 BU Outrage does 72.2% - 85.4% to non-bulky Kyogres.
- +1 BU Outrage does 56.9% - 66.9% to non-bulky Dialgas (2HKO).
- +1 BU Outrage does 49.4% - 58.8% to non-bulky Groudon.
- +1 BU Outrage does 69.8% - 82.5% to non-bulky Mewtwo.
- +1 BU Outrage does 48.5% - 57.4% to Wobbuffet.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Bulk Up Dialga:

#1 Dialga @ Leftovers + Careful + 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpDef
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Pokemon - Dialga
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mdialga.png

Set 4 - Supporter
Ability: Pressure
Item: Leftovers / Lum Berry
Moves: Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave / Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Thunder

Experiment #1 (Defenses)

- Needs 252 HP + 24 SpDef EVs in order to survive LO Focus Blast from Darkrai.
- Needs 252 HP + 60 SpDef EVs in order to survive LO Draco Meteor from Dialga.

Dialga with 252 HP + 60 SpDef EVs:
- Surf + Rain from Specs Kyogre does 45% - 53.2%
- Draco Meteor from Mix Rayquaza does 76.7% - 90.6%.
- Aura Sphere from Mewtwo does 52% - 61.4%.
- Draco Meteor from Latios does 79.7% - 94.1%.

Experiment #2 (Speed)

Since we've invested 312 EVs on Defenses, we only have a maximum of 200 EVs for Dialga's Speed. Dialga's Max Speed with 200 Speed EVs is 292. Dialga's Max Speed without Speed nature and 200 EVs is 266. Dialga's minimum speed is 216.

Pokemon that Dialga can out speed with 292 Speed and NOT 266:
- Mix Giratina-O and Dialga (w/ 291)
- Adamant Rayquaza (w 290)
- Jolly Mamoswine (w/ 285)
- Adamant Lucario (w/ 280)
- Timid Heatran (w. 279)
Pokemon that Dialga can out speed with 266 and NOT 216:
- Jolly Tyranitar (w/ 244)
- Neutral Mew, Jirachi (w/ 238)
- Abomasnow (w/ 220)
- Neutral Dialga, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre (Speed Tie)

From the above statistics we can see that investing 200 EVs in Speed would be a great idea to maximize Dialga's speed and out speed its thread. But, this means we'll have to decrease it's power. While we can also save its power and give it 88 EVs to reach 238 Speed to out speed Neutral speed Jirachi and Mew.

Experiment #3 (SpAtk)

Lets see if investing those 200 EVs on SpAtk is better than investing on Speed.

Modest Dialga with 200 SpAtk EVs:
- Thunder does 67.8% - 80.1% to non-bulky Kyogres. 57.4% - 67.8% to 252 HP Kyogres. Only needs 176 EVs to for 2HKO.
- Draco Meteor does 79.2% - 93.3% to non-bulky Dialgas. Needs 200 SpAtk EVs to 2HKO 252 HP Dialgas.
- Needs 148 EVs to 2HKO Support Groudon with Draco Meteor.
- Can OHKO Mewtwo will SR up (83.3% - 98.3%).
- Will always OHKO Darkrai.

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From the above statistics we can conclude the following spreads to be ideal for Supporter Dialga:

#1 Dialga @ Leftovers / Lum Berry + Modest + 252 HP / 184 SpAtk / 60 SpDef / 16 Speed
#2 Dialga @ Leftovers / Lum Berry + Modest + 252 HP / 200 SpAtk / 60 SpDef
#3 Dialga @ Leftovers / Lum Berry + Timid + 252 HP / 60 SpDef / 200 Speed
#4 Dialga @ Leftovers / Lum Berry + Modest + 252 HP / 112 SpAtk / 60 SpDef / 88 Speed
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Eternal
06-20-2010, 07:30 AM
Pokemon - Groudon
http://teamuber.net/dex/images/hgss/mgroudon.png

Set 1 - Rock Polish Sweeper
Ability: Drought
Item: Life Orb
Moves: Rock Polish / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Overheat / Dragon Claw / Swords Dance