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Eternal
06-17-2011, 10:08 PM
Just going to make a quick simple counter guide like that of Gen 4 (http://teamuber.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4923) that I made a while ago. Hopefully this helps you with finding your team's weakneses and adding a Pokemon to fix your team's weakness. This should also help you understand how well things are countered this gen.

If you find any errors or have a question, you may post on this thread.

Key:
*Pokemon is highlighted Red.
*Item that the Pokemon is based its power are in italics and green.
*Commonly used moves are colored Orange
*Moves inside are the moves that the counter Pokemon cannot resist well and should be taken into suspicion when in battle.
*Pokemon + (move), meaning that that Pokemon must have the given move to be a viable counter.
*Pokemons that are highlighted in Blue are competitively and statistically the best counter for that Pokemon. Usually Pokemon that are greatly resistant to damages from common Stealth Rock damage and/or are able to recover their HP with priority recovery moves and still be able to counter the Pokemon are given this position.

Ferrothorn
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/598/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Power Whip, Gyro Ball, Leech Seed, Spikes, Stealth Rock
Scizor
Reuniclus
Dragonite (Fire Punch/Fire Blast)
Conkeldurr
Heatran
Jirachi (Fire Punch/Substitute)
Thundurus [Gyro Ball]
Infernape [Gyro Ball]
Volcarona
Forretress (Pain Split)
Breloom
Chandelure
Lucario
Toxicroak [Gyro Ball]
Machamp
Ninetales
Magnezone (HP Fire)
Virizion [Gyro Ball]
Darmanitan
Zapdos
Celebi (HP Fire)
Sigilyph
Victini
Arcanine
Hitmontop
Mew
Xatu
Cresselia (Calm Mind + Rest)
Dusclops (Will-o-wisp)
Clefable (Fire Blast)
Escavalier
Shaymin (HP Fire)
Weezing
Rotom-H

Tyranitar
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/248/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Stealth Rock, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Crunch, Pursuit, Superpower, Stone Edge
Gliscor
Conkeldurr
Rotom-W
Jirachi [Fire Blast]
Gyarados [Stone Edge]
Hydreigon [Ice Beam]
Infernape [Stone Edge]
Vaporeon
Swampert
Toxicroak
Hippowdon [Ice Beam]
Machamp
Terrakion [Superpower]
Scrafty [Superpower]
Mienshao
Virizion [Fire Blast]
Milotic
Quagsire
Suicune [Stone Edge]
Nidoking [Ice Beam]
Donphan [Ice Beam]
Heracross [Fire Blast]
Hitmontop
Dugtrio [Ice Beam]
Gastrodon
-- Choice Band -- Stone Edge, Crunch, Pursuit, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Earthquake
Gliscor [Stone Edge]
Conkeldurr
Skarmory [Stone Edge]
Metagross [Crunch]
Swampert [Crunch]
Lucario [Superpower]
Toxicroak [Earthquake]
Hippowdon
Machamp
Terrakion [Superpower]
Scrafty [Superpower]
Virizion
Quagsire [Crunch]
Donphan [Crunch]
Hitmontop
Gastrodon [Crunch]

Scizor
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/212/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Swords Dance, Roost, Bug Bite, Bullet Punch
Excadrill
Skarmory
Heatran
Rotom-W [Bug Bite]
Jellicent
Gyarados
Thundurus
Infernape
Volcarona
Chandelure
Salamence
Lucario
Tentacruel (Scald)
Ninetales
Magnezone
Darmanitan
Zapdos
Empoleon
Arcanine
Quagsire
Dusclops (Will-o-wisp)
Dusknoir
Victini
Weezing
Rotom-H
-- [I]Choice Band -- U-turn, Superpower, Bullet Punch, Pursuit, Bug Bite, Quick Attack
Gliscor
Skarmory [Superpower]
Heatran [Superpower]
Jellicent
Gyarados
Volcarona
Forretress [Superpower]
Tentacruel
Hippowdon
Machamp [Superpower]
Terrakion [Superpower]
Magnezone [Superpower]
Zapdos
Empoleon [Superpower]
Arcanine
Nidoking [Bullet Punch]
Hitmontop [Superpower]
Weezing
Rotom-H

Gliscor
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/472/front.png
-- Toxic Orb -- Earthquake, Protect, Fling, Acrobatics, Swords Dance, Taunt, Ice Fang, Facade
Latios [Ice Fang]
Rotom-W
Jellicent
Gyarados
Thundurus [Ice Fang]
Starmie
Cloyster
Swampert
Vaporeon
Bronzong
Zapdos
Porygon2
Virizion
Abomasnow
Milotic
Quagsire
Mamoswine
Slowbro
Latias [Ice Fang]
Suicune
Cresselia
Tornadus [Ice Fang]
Tangrowth (HP Ice)
Shaymin

Gengar
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/94/front.png
-- Life Orb -- Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Pain Split, Disable, Substitute, HP Fire, Thunderbolt
Scizor [HP Fire]
Conkeldurr
Dragonite
Jirachi
Blissey (Flamethrower/Ice Beam)
Metagross
Forretress [HP Fire]
Swampert
Tentacruel [Thunderbolt]
Vaporeon [Thunderbolt]
Porygon2
Bronzong
Snorlax [Focus Blast]
Milotic [Thunderbolt]
Quagsire
Clefable [Focus Blast]
Spiritomb
Escavalier (Pursuit)
Gastrogon

Excadrill
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/530/front.png
-- Air Balloon / Life Orb -- Swords Dance, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Rapid Spin, X-Scissor, Return/Frustration, Brick Break
Gliscor
Excadrill (Air Balloon)
Politoed
Conkeldurr
Heatran (Air Balloon)
Skarmory
Latios [X-Scissor]
Rotom-W
Ninetales (Air Balloon)
Hydreigon [X-Scissor]
Breloom (Mach Punch)
Hippowdon
Lucario (Air Balloon)
Bronzong [X-Scissor]
Landorus
Virizion [SD + Return]
Quagsire
Slowbro
Donphan
Suicune
Azumarill
Hitmontop (Intimidate + Mach Punch)
Tangrowth (X-Scissor)
Weezing

Politoed
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/186/front.png
-- Leftovers / Choice Scarf -- Surf, Scald, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Psychic, Toxic, Haze, Perish Song, Encore, HP Electric, Focus Blast
Ferrothorn
Reuniclus (CM + Recover)
Latios [Ice Beam/Toxic]
Rotom-W
Jellicent [Toxic]
Gyarados [HP Electric]
Blissey
Hydreigon [Ice Beam]
Starmie [HP Electric]
Tentacruel
Vaporeon [Toxic]
Toxicroak
Chansey
Porygon2 [Toxic]
Venusaur [Ice Beam]
Snorlax
Ludicolo [Toxic]
Virizion [Ice Beam/Toxic]
Empoleon [Focus Blast]
Abomasnow [Focus Blast]
Milotic [Toxic]
Quagsire [Toxic]
Celebi [Ice Beam]
Slowbro [Toxic]
Latias [Toxic]
Suicune
Kyurem [Focus Blast]
Roserade [Ice Beam]
Clefable [Focus Blast]
Shaymin [Ice Beam]
Gastrodon [Toxic]
-- Choice Specs -- Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Ice Beam, HP Electric, Surf, HP Grass, Scald
Ferrothorn [Focus Blast]
Rotom-W
Jellicent [HP Electric]
Blissey
Vaporeon
Toxicroak [Ice Beam]
Chansey
Ludicolo [Focus Blast]
Virizion [Ice Beam]
Empoleon [Focus Blast]
Abomasnow [Focus Blast]
Milotic
Celebi [Ice Beam]
Latias [Ice Beam]
Kyurem [Focus Blast]
Roserade [Ice Beam]
Shaymin [Ice Beam]
Gastrodon

Reuniclus
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/579/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Calm Mind, Recover, Psychic, Focus Blast, Psyshock, Shadow Ball
Tyranitar (Choice Band + Crunch) - [Focus Blast]
Scizor [Focus Blast]
Dragonite (Choice Band + Outrage) [Psychic]
Latios (Choice Specs + Draco Meteor/Trick) [Shadow Ball]
Jirachi (Body Slam/Thunder + Iron Head) - (Calm Mind + Wish)
Metagross (Choice Band + Meteor Mash) - [Focus Blast]
Darmanitan (Choice Band + Flare Blitz) - [Psychic]
Snorlax [Choice Band + Return] - [Focus Blast]
Quagsire (Curse)
Latias (Calm Mind + Roar) - [Shadow Ball]
Clefable (Cosmic Power + Bell Drum) - [Focus Blast]
Spiritomb
Escavalier [Focus Blast]
Victini [Shadow Ball]
Drapion [Focus Blast]
-- Life Orb -- Trick Room, Psychic, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Psyshock, Calm Mind, HP Fire
Scizor [Focus Blast/HP Fire]
Jirachi (Calm Mind + Wish) - (Body Slam/Thunder + Iron Head + Wish + Protect)
Blissey
Chansey
Spiritomb
Escavalier (Choice Band) - [Focus Blast]

Dragonite
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/149/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Roost, Thunder Wave, Substitute, Dragon Tail, ExtremeSpeed, Outrage
Tyranitar (Ice Beam) - [Earthquake]
Gliscor (Ice Fang)
Skarmory [Fire Punch]
Heatran (Air Balloon) - [HP Ice]
Jellicent (Will-o-wisp)
Gyarados
Cloyster
Swampert
Vaporeon
Hippowdon (Ice Fang)
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Punch]
Milotic
Quagsire
Slowbro
Porygon2
Suicune
Donphan (Ice Shards)
Cresselia
Tangrowth(HP Ice) - [Fire Punch]
Gastrodon
Weezing
-- Choice Band -- Outrage, Fire Punch, ExtremeSpeed, Earthquake, Dragon Claw
Ferrothorn [Fire Punch]
Scizor [Fire Punch]
Heatran (Air Balloon + HP Ice)
Skarmory [Fire Punch]
Jirachi [Earthquake/Fire Punch]
Metagross [Fire Punch]
Bronzong [Fire Punch]

Conkeldurr
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/534/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Bulk Up, Drain Punch, Payback, Mach Punch, Stone Edge
Gliscor (Swords Dance)
Reuniclus [Payback]
Dragonite (Choice Band + Outrage / Hurricane)
Skarmory (Brave Bird)
Gyarados [Stone Edge]
Thundurus [Stone Edge]
Volcarona [Stone Edge]
Salamence [Stone Edge]
Toxicroak
Venusaur [Payback]
Zapdos [Stone Edge]
Celebi (Psychic) - [Payback]
Nidoking
Slowbro [Payback]
Cresselia [Payback]
Tornadus [Stone Edge]
Mew [Payback]
Roserade [Payback]
Weezing

Heatran
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/485/front.png
-- Air Balloon / Choice Scarf -- Fire Blast / Hidden Power Ice / Earth Power / Flame Charge / Hidden Power Grass / Dragon Pulse / Stealth Rock
Tyranitar (Superpower/Earthquake) - [Earth Power]
Politoed
Jellicent
Latios [Dragon Pulse]
Hydregion [Dragon Pulse]
Blissey
Gyarados
Rotom-W
Swampert [HP Grass]
Vaporeon
Salamence [Dragon Pulse]
Porygon2
Chansey
Porygon2
Milotic
Snorlax
Latias [Dragon Pulse]
Azumarill
Slowbro
Quagsire
Suicune
Blastoise
Gastrodon

Latios
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/381/front.png
-- Choice Specs / Life Orb -- Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Surf, Trick, Hidden Power [Fire], Thunderbolt, Psychock
Ferrothorn [HP Fire]
Tyranitar [Surf]
Scizor [HP Fire]
Blissey [Psyshock/Trick]
Jirachi
Chansey [Trick]
Bronzong
Porygon2 [Trick]
Snorlax
Empoleon [Thunderbolt]
Cresselia
Escavalier [HP Fire]

Thundurus
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/642/front.png
-- Life Orb / Leftovers / Lum Berry -- Nasty Plot / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ice / Focus Blast / Thunder / Thunder Wave / Taunt / Substitute
Tyranitar (Chople Berry/Choice Scarf) - [Focus Blast]
Excadrill (Sandstorm + Sand Rush + Rock Slide)
Rotom-w (Choice Scarf + Rain + Hydro Pump)
Latios [NP + HP Ice]
Jirachi (Thunder Wave/Body Slam/Thunder) - [NP + Thunder/Thunderbolt]
Blissey [NP + Focus Blast]
Hydreigon (Choice Scarf) - [Focus Blast]
Swampert [NP + Focus Blast]
Latias [NP + HP Ice]
Chansey [NP + Focus Blast]
Porygon2 [NP + Focus Blast]
Mamoswine [Focus Blast]
Virizion [np + HP Ice]
Nidoking (Choice Scarf) - [HP Ice]
Flygon (Choice Scarf) - [HP Ice]
Abomasnow (Choice Scarf) - [Focus Blast]
Quagsire (Unaware)
Gastrodon [NP + Focus Blast]
Kyurem (Choice Scarf) - [Focus Blast]
Lanturn [NP + Focus Blast]
Raikou [Focus Blast]
Nidoqueen [NP + HP Ice]
Rotom-C [NP + HP Ice]

Jellicent
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/593/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Scald, Recover, Taunt, Will-o-wisp, Toxic, Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Surf
Ferrothorn [Will-o-wisp]
Tyranitar [Will-o-wisp]
Reuniclus
Conkeldurr
Latios
Blissey [Taunt]
Starmie [Shadow Ball]
Rotom-W
Thundurus [Ice Beam]
Vaporeon (Toxic)
Breloom [Ice Beam]
Toxicroak (Sucker Punch) - [Will-o-wisp/Shadow Ball]
Zapdos
Togekiss
Chansey [Taunt]
Porygon2 [Taunt]
Milotic (Toxic)
Venusaur
Empoleon (Grass Knot)
Latias
Virizion (Giga Drain)
Abomasnow
Celebi (Shadow Ball)
Roserade
Shaymin
Lilligant
Sceptile
Clefable (Toxic)
Lanturn

Skarmory
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/227/front.png
-- Leftovers / Shed Shell -- Brave Bird, Spikes, Roost, Whirlwind, Stealth Rock, Taunt
Tyranitar (Fire Blast)
Heatran
Dragonite (Fire Blast)
Latios (Thunderbolt)
Starmie
Volcarona
Rotom-W
Jirachi (Thunder)
Thundurus
Salamence (Fire Blast)
Tentacruel
Ninetales
Electivire
Jolteon
Zapdos
Togekiss (Flamethrower)
Magnezone
Porygon2
Arcanine
Empoleon
Nidoking
Elektoss
Slowbro
Suicune
Blastoise
Raikou
Rotom-H

Rotom-W
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/479-4/front.png
-- Leftovers / Choice Scarf -- Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt / Will-o-wisp / Pain Split / Volt Switch / Hidden Power Fire / Trick / Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Ice
Ferrothorn [WoW/HP Fire]
Latios [HP Ice/WoW]
Reuniclus (Calm Mind) - [Hydro Pump]
Blissey (Toxic)
Hydreigon [HP Ice/WoW]
Haxorus [HP Ice/WoW]
Venusaur [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Porygon2 (Toxic) - [WoW]
Chansey (Toxic)
Celebi
Snorlax [WoW]
Latias[WoW]
Abomasnow [HP Fire/WoW]
Virizion [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Umbreon (Toxic)
Cresselia [WoW]
Roserade [HP Fire/Ice]
Tangrowth [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Sceptile [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Lilligant [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Exeggutor [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]
Clefable
Gastrodon (Toxic) - [WoW]
Shaymin
Lanturn [WoW]
Rotom-C [HP Fire/Ice/WoW]

Blissey
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/242/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Seismic Toss, Toxic, Aromatherapy, Softboil, Wish, Protect, Thunder Wave, Flamethrower, Heal Bell
Tyranitar (Choice Band/Superpower)
Scizor [Flamethrower]
Gliscor (Swords Dance)
Excadrill
Dragonite
Conkeldurr
Infernape
Jirachi (Substitute)
Metagross
Haxorus
Breloom [Flamethrower]
Salamence
Scrafty
Lucario
Machamp
Terrakion
Mienshao
Landorus (Sandstorm)
Darmanitan
Mamoswine
Victini
Gallade
Toxicroak
Heracross
Hitmontop
Staraptor
Azumarill
Bisharp
Golurk
Mismagius (Substitute)

Infernape
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/392/front.png
-- Life Orb / Choice Scarf -- Close Combat, Fire Blast, Mach Punch, U-turn, Overheat, Stone Edge, HP Ice, Grass Knot, Nasty Plot
Dragonite [HP Ice/Stone Edge]
Latios [U-turn]
Reuniclus
Jellicent [Grass Knot]
Gyarados [Stone Edge]
Starmie [U-turn]
Chandelure [Stone Edge]
Vaporeon [Grass Knot]
Salamence [HP Ice/Stone Edge]
Tentacruel
Latias [U-turn]
Milotic [Grass Knot]
Suicune [Grass Knot]
Cresselia
Gastrodon [Grass Knot]
Deoxys-D (Psychic)

Starmie
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/121/front.png
-- Life Orb -- Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Rapid Spin, Psychic, Recover, Thunder
Ferrothorn
Tyranitar [Hydro Pump]
Latios [Ice Beam]
Blissey
Rotom-W [Thunderbolt/Thunder]
Jirachi [Hydro Pump]
Chansey
Porygon2
Snorlax
Venusaur [Ice Beam]
Ludicolo
Latias [Ice Beam]
Virizion [Ice Beam]
Abomasnow
Celebi [Ice Beam]
Umbreon
Roserade [Ice Beam]
Shaymin [Ice Beam]
Cradily (Sandstorm) - [Ice Beam]
Clefable [Hydro Pump]
Lanturn
Gastrodon
Rotom-C [Ice Beam]

Jirachi
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/385/front.png
-- Leftovers -- Iron Head, Wish, Protect, Body Slam, Fire Punch, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Thunder
Ferrothorn [Fire Punch]
Scizor [Fire Punch]
Gliscor
Heatran
Skarmory [Thunder]
Rotom-W
Jellicent [Thunder]
Gyarados [Thunder]
Volcarona
Metagross [Fire Punch]
Chandelure
Swampert
Magnezone [Fire Punch]
Hippowdon
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Punch]
Zapdos
Donphan
Milotic (Scald)
Slowbro [Thunder]
Quagsire
Empoleon [Thunder]
Dusclops
Suicune [Thunder]
Dusknoir
Rotom-H
Gastrodon
Lanturn
Escavalier [Fire Punch]
Golurk
Steelix
-- Leftovers -- Substitute, Calm Mind, Thunder, Psychic, Water Pulse, Flash Cannon, Wish, Thunderbolt
Scizor [Thunder]
Gliscor [Psychic/Water Pulse/Flash Cannon]
Heatran [Water Pulse]
Volcarona [Water Pulse]
Hydreigon [Flash Cannon]
Metagross [Thunder]
Swampert [Psychic]
Hippowdon [Psychic/Water Pulse/Flash Cannon]
Bronzong [Thunder/Water Pulse]
Celebi (Calm Mind/Nasty Plot + Earth Power/HP Fire) - [Flash Cannon]
Snorlax (Earthquake/Fire Punch)
Quagsire
Virizion [Psychic]

[b]Gyarados
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/130/front.png
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Bounce, Earthquake, Taunt, Stone Edge, Roar, Rest, Sleep Talk, Ice Fang, Dragon Tail

--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Taunt, Dragon Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar, Dragon Tail
Dragon Dance:
Ferrothorn
Dragonite [Stone Edge]
Latios [Ice Fang]
Rotom-W
Starmie
Jellicent
Vaporeon
Magnezone [Earthquake]
Toxicroak [Earthquake]
Zapdos [Stone Edge]
Latias [Ice Fang]
Porygon2
Celebi[Ice Fang] [Bounce]
Quagsire
Gastrodon
Slowbro
Tangrowth [Ice Fang]

Impish Resttalk:
Ferrothorn
Dragonite
Latios
Rotom-W
Starmie
Magnezone
Toxicroak
Zapdos
Latias
Porygon2
Celebi
Slowbro
Tangrowth

[b]Espeon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/196/front.png

--Leftovers/Light Clay-- Light Screen, Reflect, Psychic, Baton Pass, Morning Sun, Psycho Shock, Shadow Ball, Wish, Substitute, Hidden Power Fighting

Dual Screens:
Ferrothorn
Scizor
Tyranitar
Heatran
Latios
Jirachi
Reuniclus
Hydreigon
Scrafty
Snorlax
Latias
Porygon2
Milotic
Bronzong
Weavile
Zoroark
Quagsire
Umbreon
Empoleon
Suicune
Bisharp
Cresselia
Spiritomb
Houndoom
Krookodile
Drapion
Honchkrow
Sharpedo
Clefable
Durant

--[i]Leftovers-- Calm Mind, Baton Pass, Psychic, Substitute, Light Screen, Reflect, Shadow Ball, Psyshock

Baton Pass:
Ferrothorn
Scizor
Tyranitar
Heatran
Latios
Jirachi
Reuniclus
Hydreigon
Scrafty
Snorlax
Latias
Porygon2
Milotic
Bronzong
Weavile
Zoroark
Quagsire
Umbreon
Empoleon
Suicune
Bisharp
Cresselia
Spiritomb
Houndoom
Krookodile
Drapion
Honchkrow
Sharpedo
Clefable
Durant

Vaporeon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/134/front.png

--Leftovers-- Surf, Wish, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Rest, Protect, Toxic, Scald, Hidden Power [Grass/Electric], Baton Pass

Physically Defensive:
Ferrothorn
Politoed
Latios [Ice Beam]
Rotom-W
Jirachi + Thunder
Starmie [Hidden Power]
Jellicent [Toxic]
Gyarados + Rest [Hidden Power Electric]
Blissey + Toxic [Hydration/Rest]
Reunclus
Breloom [Hydration]
Toxicroak
Latias [Ice Beam]
Celebi
Milotic
Virizion
Walrein
Blastoise
Galvantula
Accelgor + Guard Share
Lanturn


Volcarona
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/637/front.png
-- Leftovers/Chesto Berry/Life Orb -- Fiery Dance / Quiver Dance / Bug Buzz / Hidden Power Ground / Rest / Hidden Power Rock / Morning Sun / Substitute
Tyranitar (Stone Edge/Rock Slide)
Heatran (Air Balloon) - [HP Ground]
Dragonite [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Rotom-W
Jellicent (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Gyarados [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Blissey
Salamence [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Chandelure [HP Ground/Rock]
Terrakion [HP Ground]
Chansey
Porygon2 (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Arcanine (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Snorlax [Flame Body]
Milotic (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Quagsire (Curse)
Gastrodon (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Suicune (Calm Mind)
Azumarill (Choice Band + Aqua Jet)
Empoleon (Stealth Rock + Rock) - [HP Ground]
Poliwrath (Waterfall) - [Flame Body]

Haxorus
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/612/front.png
-- Lum Berry/Choice Scarf/Life Orb -- Dragon Dance / Earthquake / Outrage / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Taunt
Ferrothorn [Brick Break]
Scizor
Gliscor
Heatran [Air Balloon]
Excadrill (Air Balloon + Sandstorm + Sand Rush) - [Brick Break/Earthquake]
Skarmory
Gyarados
Swampert
Metagross (Air Balloon/Shuca Berry) - [Earthquake]
Bronzong [Mold Breaker + Earthquake]
Hippowdon
Mamoswine
Donphan
Slowbro
Quagsire
Cresselia
Tangrowth
Escavalier
-- Choice Band -- Outrage / Earthquake / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Dragon Claw
Ferrothorn [Brick Break]
Scizor [Earthquake/Outrage]
Heatran (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake/Outrage]
Excadrill (Air Balloon + Sandstorm + Sand Rush) - [Brick Break/Earthquake/Outrage]
Skarmory
Metagross (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake/Outrage]
Bronzong [Earthquake/Outrage]
Escavalier [Outrage]

Salamence
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/373/front.png
--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Dragon Dance, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Roost
Gliscor (Ice Fang)
Tyranitar (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake]
Heatran (Air Balloon + HP Ice/ Dragon Pulse) - [Earthquake]
Jellicent (Will-o-wisp)
Gyarados (Intimidate + Dragon Tail)
Vaporeon
Swampert
Cloyster
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Hippowdon (Ice Fang)
Porygon2
Zapdos (HP Ice)
Miltoc
Donphan (Ice Shard)
Slowbro (Ice Beam/ Thunder Wave)
Quagsire
Dusclops
Gastrodon (Ice Beam)
Hitmontop (Intimidate+Stone Edge)
Dusknoir
Suicune (Ice Beam)
Cresselia
Blastoise (Ice Beam)
Weezing

--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Draco Meteor, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Brick Break, Roost
Heatran (Air Balloon + HP Ice/ Dragon Pulse) - [Earthquake]
Gyarados (Intimidate + Dragon Tail)
Swampert
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Chansey - [Brick Break]
Porygon2
Slowbro (Ice Beam/ Thunder Wave)
Dusclops
Gastrodon (Ice Beam)
Cresselia


Breloom
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/286/front.png
--Toxic Orb--Spore, Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Stone Edge, Mach Punch
Gliscor (Ice Fang, Acrobatics)
Dragonite – [Stone Edge]
Gengar
Latios
Skarmory
Reuniclus
Gyarados ( Intimidate + Sleep Talk + Roar) – [Stone Edge]
Espeon
Volcarona - [Stone Edge]
Salamence – [Stone Edge]
Tentacruel (Sludge Bomb, Ice Beam)
Chandelure – [Stone Edge]
Latias
Toxicroak (Taunt, Substitute)
Celebi
Zapdos – [Stone Edge]
Venusaur
Whimsicott
Nidoking
Sigilyph – [Stone Edge]
Mew
Crobat – [Stone Edge]
Cresselia
Xatu – [Stone Edge]
Weezing
Uxie
Deoxys-D


Hydreigon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/635/front.png
-- Choice Scarf / Life Orb / Expert Belt -- Fire Blast / Surf / Dark Pulse / Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Focus Blast / U-turn / Dragon Pulse
Tyranitar [Focus Blast/Surf]
Heatran [Surf/Focus Blast]
Jirachi (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Blissey
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Chansey
Porygon2 [Focus Blast]
Snorlax [Focus Blast]
Milotic
Quagsire
Gastrodon
Empoleon [Focus Blast]
Clefable
Registeel (Rain) - [Fire Blast]

Forretress
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/205/front.png
-- Leftovers/Shed Shell -- Spikes / Rapid Spin / Toxic Spikes / Volt Switch / Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Earthquake
Scizor
Tyranitar (Fire Blast)
Heatran [Earthquake]
Dragonite (Fire Punch)
Politoed
Rotom-W
Excadrill [Earthquake]
Latios (Hidden Power Fire) - [Gyro Ball]
Jirachi (Substitute/Calm Mind/Fire Punch)
Thundurus
Reuniclus
Starmie
Conkeldurr
Jellicent
Gyarados
Blissey (Flamethrower)
Infernape
Espeon (HP Fire)
Vaporeon
Volcarona
Salamence (Fire Blast) - [Gyro Ball]
Ninetales
Hydreigon [Gyro Ball]
Breloom
Kingdra
Tentacruel
Scrafty
Lucario
Chandelure
Cloyster
Magnezone [Earthquake]
Machamp
Toxicroak [Earthquake]
Hippowdon
Celebi (HP Fire)
Electivire [Earthquake]
Zapdos
Togekiss
Venusaur (HP Fire)
Arcanine [Earthquake]
Whimsicott
Snorlax (Fire Punch)
Milotic
Darmanitan [Earthquake]
Donphan
Sigilyph
Zoroark
Victini [Earthquake]
Slowbro
Quagsire
Mew
Dusclops
Charizard
Gastrodon
Hitmontop
Gallade
Dusknoir
Suicune
Azumarill
Gorebyss
Empoleon [Earthquake]
Eelektross
Roserade (HP Fire)
Tangrowth (HP Fire)
Blastoise
Shaymin (HP Fire)
Xatu
Spiritomb
Rotom-H
Weezing
Lanturn
etc...

steel dragons
06-18-2011, 03:36 AM
I really appreciate the time that you have put into this Eternal.

However, some Pokemon have wrong moves listed next to them. For example, in Gliscor's counters section, Thundurus (and others) have Ice Fang listed next to them, when it should be a different ice move.

Eternal
06-18-2011, 05:44 AM
I really appreciate the time that you have put into this Eternal.

However, some Pokemon have wrong moves listed next to them. For example, in Gliscor's counters section, Thundurus (and others) have Ice Fang listed next to them, when it should be a different ice move.

Oh no, check the "key." When it's inside a parenthesis, it means that you need that move to sufficiently counter the target. Like Tangrowth for example, I listed HP Ice inside a parenthesis. Whereas, when it's inside a bracket it means that even though this Pokemon is able to counter the target, it still fears the opposing move inside the bracket. Hope that clears things up.

lapras6666
06-18-2011, 07:28 AM
Great work Eternal and I think that is gonna be very useful to a lot of people. A few things:

-Blissey does fear the Sub-Split combo from Gengar.
-I've seen some very little typos, like Kojondo or Gastrogon.
-How can Gyro Ball be a threat to Virizion and Thundurus (since Thundurus resists it)?
-Max HP and SpDef Conkeldurr can actually counter Gengar.
-Even with Air Balloon, Excadrill can still kill Heatran if it carries Brick Break.

PS: lol I also misunderstood that.

Dimes
06-18-2011, 12:09 PM
Hey Eternal, would you like help with the guide? I can do a few Pokemon if that is what you wish.

Eternal
06-18-2011, 04:32 PM
Great work Eternal and I think that is gonna be very useful to a lot of people. A few things:

-Blissey does fear the Sub-Split combo from Gengar.
-I've seen some very little typos, like Kojondo or Gastrogon.
-How can Gyro Ball be a threat to Virizion and Thundurus (since Thundurus resists it)?
-Max HP and SpDef Conkeldurr can actually counter Gengar.
-Even with Air Balloon, Excadrill can still kill Heatran if it carries Brick Break.


Careful 252/252 Conkeldurr takes 39.13% - 45.89% from Shadow Ball. I guess you can use it to handle Gengar, but not sufficiently counter.

Gyro Ball from Ferrothorn does 34% - 40.33% to Thundurus and 62.04% - 73.15% to Virizion, which is quite a lot to be called a sufficient counter.

Brick Break Excadrill is very uncommon and still fails to come close to OHKO'ing Heatran. Whereas Air Balloon Heatran is listed as a "viable" counter because it can come in on an Earthquake and revenge kill.


Hey Eternal, would you like help with the guide? I can do a few Pokemon if that is what you wish.

Nah, that's alright. I got this covered. I was thinking of making another kind of competitive guide where I would need a help on though. Let me know if you're interested.

Eternal
07-07-2011, 11:42 AM
36% completed

EspyOwner
07-08-2011, 06:34 AM
A few things I noticed -

-Scizor's SD set should have more emphasis on Excadrill. It really can't do much do the bugger.
-For Scizor's band set you have Magnezone emphasized, but then you have Superpower in brackets. Not sure if this is because of Magnet Pull, but I noticed it anyway.
-I had to do calcs for this one, but, Conkeldurr can't switch into and Drain Punch Adamant LO Excadrill's Earthquake or Swords Dance, and Mach Punch can only do 63.7% - 75.3% (Against 0/0 Excadrill, I'm honestly not sure how much is invested into bulk for Excadrill.) It should probably be noted that Conkeldurr only counters under certain circumstances.
-Superpower should be added as a choice on Dragonite's Band set, as it covers Heatran, while also doing heavy damage to the other listed counters.
-It should be noted that some Conkeldurr run Earthquake, although it is slightly uncommon.
-It should be slashed in that Breloom really doesn't like to switch into Jellicent's Scald or Will-o-Wisp either.
-Should be noted that Infernape IS allowed ThunderPunch with Iron Fist.
-Rotom-W is a very decent Starmie counter.


Well, that's all I can find for now. Hope it's useful, somewhat.

Eternal
07-08-2011, 09:26 PM
A few things I noticed -

-Scizor's SD set should have more emphasis on Excadrill. It really can't do much do the bugger.
-For Scizor's band set you have Magnezone emphasized, but then you have Superpower in brackets. Not sure if this is because of Magnet Pull, but I noticed it anyway.
-I had to do calcs for this one, but, Conkeldurr can't switch into and Drain Punch Adamant LO Excadrill's Earthquake or Swords Dance, and Mach Punch can only do 63.7% - 75.3% (Against 0/0 Excadrill, I'm honestly not sure how much is invested into bulk for Excadrill.) It should probably be noted that Conkeldurr only counters under certain circumstances.
-Superpower should be added as a choice on Dragonite's Band set, as it covers Heatran, while also doing heavy damage to the other listed counters.
-It should be noted that some Conkeldurr run Earthquake, although it is slightly uncommon.
-It should be slashed in that Breloom really doesn't like to switch into Jellicent's Scald or Will-o-Wisp either.
-Should be noted that Infernape IS allowed ThunderPunch with Iron Fist.
-Rotom-W is a very decent Starmie counter.


Well, that's all I can find for now. Hope it's useful, somewhat.

Thanks, I'll fix them.

EspyOwner
07-22-2011, 12:22 AM
Well, here's Gyarados's counters.


Gyarados
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/130/front.png
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Bounce, Earthquake, Taunt, Stone Edge, Roar, Rest, Sleep Talk, Ice Fang, Dragon Tail

--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Taunt, Dragon Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar, Dragon Tail
Dragon Dance:
Ferrothorn
Dragonite [Stone Edge] [Ice Fang]
Latios [Ice Fang]
Rotom-W
Starmie
Jellicent
Vaporeon
Magnezone [Earthquake]
Toxicroak [Earthquake]
Zapdos [Stone Edge]
Latias [Ice Fang]
Porygon2
Celebi[Ice Fang] [Bounce]
Quagsire
Gastrodon
Slowbro
Tangrowth [Ice Fang]

Impish Resttalk:
Ferrothorn
Dragonite
Latios
Rotom-W
Starmie
Magnezone
Toxicroak
Zapdos
Latias
Porygon2
Celebi
Slowbro
Tangrowth

EspyOwner
07-22-2011, 01:19 AM
Espeon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/196/front.png

--Leftovers/Light Clay-- Light Screen, Reflect, Psychic, Baton Pass, Morning Sun, Psycho Shock, Shadow Ball, Wish, Substitute, Hidden Power Fighting

Dual Screens:
Ferrothorn
Scizor
Tyranitar
Heatran
Latios
Jirachi
Reuniclus
Hydreigon
Scrafty
Snorlax
Latias
Porygon2
Milotic
Bronzong
Weavile
Zoroark
Quagsire
Umbreon
Empoleon
Suicune
Bisharp
Cresselia
Spiritomb
Houndoom
Krookodile
Drapion
Honchkrow
Sharpedo
Clefable
Durant

--Leftovers-- Calm Mind, Baton Pass, Psychic, Substitute, Light Screen, Reflect, Shadow Ball, Psyshock

Baton Pass:
Ferrothorn
Scizor
Tyranitar
Heatran
Latios
Jirachi
Reuniclus
Hydreigon
Scrafty
Snorlax
Latias
Porygon2
Milotic
Bronzong
Weavile
Zoroark
Quagsire
Umbreon
Empoleon
Suicune
Bisharp
Cresselia
Spiritomb
Houndoom
Krookodile
Drapion
Honchkrow
Sharpedo
Clefable
Durant

EspyOwner
07-22-2011, 07:48 PM
Vaporeon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/134/front.png

--Leftovers-- Surf, Wish, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Rest, Protect, Toxic, Scald, Hidden Power [Grass/Electric], Baton Pass

Physically Defensive:
Ferrothorn
Politoed
Latios [Ice Beam]
Rotom-W
Jirachi + Thunder
Starmie [Hidden Power]
Jellicent [Toxic]
Gyarados + Rest [Hidden Power Electric]
Blissey + Toxic [Hydration/Rest]
Reunclus
Breloom [Hydration]
Toxicroak
Latias [Ice Beam]
Celebi
Milotic
Virizion
Walrein
Blastoise
Galvantula
Accelgor + Guard Share
Lanturn

Eternal
08-01-2011, 11:10 PM
Volcarona
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/637/front.png
-- Leftovers/Chesto Berry/Life Orb -- Fiery Dance / Quiver Dance / Bug Buzz / Hidden Power Ground / Rest / Hidden Power Rock / Morning Sun / Substitute
Tyranitar (Stone Edge/Rock Slide)
Heatran (Air Balloon) - [HP Ground]
Dragonite [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Rotom-W
Jellicent (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Gyarados [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Blissey
Salamence [HP Rock/Flame Body]
Chandelure [HP Ground/Rock]
Terrakion [HP Ground]
Chansey
Porygon2 (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Arcanine (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Snorlax [Flame Body]
Milotic (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Quagsire (Curse)
Gastrodon (Toxic) - [Substitute]
Suicune (Calm Mind)
Azumarill (Choice Band + Aqua Jet)
Empoleon (Stealth Rock + Rock) - [HP Ground]
Poliwrath (Waterfall) - [Flame Body]

Eternal
08-01-2011, 11:44 PM
Haxorus
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/612/front.png
-- Lum Berry/Choice Scarf/Life Orb -- Dragon Dance / Earthquake / Outrage / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Taunt
Ferrothorn [Brick Break]
Scizor
Gliscor
Heatran [Air Balloon]
Excadrill (Air Balloon + Sandstorm + Sand Rush) - [Brick Break/Earthquake]
Skarmory
Gyarados
Swampert
Metagross (Air Balloon/Shuca Berry) - [Earthquake]
Bronzong [Mold Breaker + Earthquake]
Hippowdon
Mamoswine
Donphan
Slowbro
Quagsire
Cresselia
Tangrowth
Escavalier
-- Choice Band -- Outrage / Earthquake / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Dragon Claw
Ferrothorn [Brick Break]
Scizor [Earthquake/Outrage]
Heatran (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake/Outrage]
Excadrill (Air Balloon + Sandstorm + Sand Rush) - [Brick Break/Earthquake/Outrage]
Skarmory
Metagross (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake/Outrage]
Bronzong [Earthquake/Outrage]
Escavalier [Outrage]

Ducky
08-02-2011, 01:02 AM
Salamence
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/373/front.png
--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Dragon Dance, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Roost
Gliscor (Ice Fang)
Tyranitar (Air Balloon) - [Earthquake]
Heatran (Air Balloon + HP Ice/ Dragon Pulse) - [Earthquake]
Jellicent (Will-o-wisp)
Gyarados (Intimidate + Dragon Tail)
Vaporeon
Swampert
Cloyster
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Hippowdon (Ice Fang)
Porygon2
Zapdos (HP Ice)
Miltoc
Donphan (Ice Shard)
Slowbro (Ice Beam/ Thunder Wave)
Quagsire
Dusclops
Gastrodon (Ice Beam)
Hitmontop (Intimidate+Stone Edge)
Dusknoir
Suicune (Ice Beam)
Cresselia
Blastoise (Ice Beam)
Weezing


--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Draco Meteor, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Brick Break, Roost
Heatran (Air Balloon + HP Ice/ Dragon Pulse) - [Earthquake]
Gyarados (Intimidate + Dragon Tail)
Swampert
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Chansey - [Brick Break]
Porygon2
Slowbro (Ice Beam/ Thunder Wave)
Dusclops
Gastrodon (Ice Beam)
Cresselia

EspyOwner
08-02-2011, 06:14 AM
Ninetales on reserve, will be finished within the next 24 hours.
Also, question. Could this be added as an in-depth battling resource for the main site? I think it could brew up some extra activity. Things like pages on the Pokemon saying what to do when faced with those threats, kind of like an analysis with straight-forward tips on what to do in certain situations. Like... When Gengar is faced with a Tyranitar, first scout Pursuit with Protect, and if it is using Crunch/whatever to take what risk, like switching in which Pokemon that complement it or to use Focus Blast for what could take out a weakened version. Kind of like a threat list for each Pokemon.

Eternal
08-02-2011, 09:23 AM
Ninetales on reserve, will be finished within the next 24 hours.
Also, question. Could this be added as an in-depth battling resource for the main site? I think it could brew up some extra activity. Things like pages on the Pokemon saying what to do when faced with those threats, kind of like an analysis with straight-forward tips on what to do in certain situations. Like... When Gengar is faced with a Tyranitar, first scout Pursuit with Protect, and if it is using Crunch/whatever to take what risk, like switching in which Pokemon that complement it or to use Focus Blast for what could take out a weakened version. Kind of like a threat list for each Pokemon.

Well, this is supposed to be a simple counter guide to quickly find ways to handle a Pokemon. It will take too much time explaining how these Pokemon can counter through sentences. And I don't really have that much time to spend on it. If someone else wishes to do it, then go for it! ^^

Ducky
08-05-2011, 02:03 AM
Breloom
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/286/front.png
--Toxic Orb--Spore, Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Stone Edge, Mach Punch
Gliscor (Ice Fang, Acrobatics)
Dragonite – [Stone Edge]
Gengar
Latios
Skarmory
Reuniclus
Gyarados ( Intimidate + Sleep Talk + Roar) – [Stone Edge]
Espeon
Volcarona - [Stone Edge]
Salamence – [Stone Edge]
Tentacruel (Sludge Bomb, Ice Beam)
Chandelure – [Stone Edge]
Latias
Toxicroak (Taunt, Substitute)
Celebi
Zapdos – [Stone Edge]
Venusaur
Whimsicott
Nidoking
Sigilyph – [Stone Edge]
Mew
Crobat – [Stone Edge]
Cresselia
Xatu – [Stone Edge]
Weezing
Uxie
Deoxys-D

Eternal
08-05-2011, 03:31 AM
Hydreigon
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/635/front.png
-- Choice Scarf / Life Orb / Expert Belt -- Fire Blast / Surf / Dark Pulse / Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Focus Blast / U-turn / Dragon Pulse
Tyranitar [Focus Blast/Surf]
Heatran [Surf/Focus Blast]
Jirachi (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Blissey
Bronzong (Rain) - [Fire Blast]
Chansey
Porygon2 [Focus Blast]
Snorlax [Focus Blast]
Milotic
Quagsire
Gastrodon
Empoleon [Focus Blast]
Clefable
Registeel (Rain) - [Fire Blast]

Eternal
08-05-2011, 03:44 AM
Forretress
http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/poke_img/205/front.png
-- Leftovers/Shed Shell -- Spikes / Rapid Spin / Toxic Spikes / Volt Switch / Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Earthquake
Scizor
Tyranitar (Fire Blast)
Heatran [Earthquake]
Dragonite (Fire Punch)
Politoed
Rotom-W
Excadrill [Earthquake]
Latios (Hidden Power Fire) - [Gyro Ball]
Jirachi (Substitute/Calm Mind/Fire Punch)
Thundurus
Reuniclus
Starmie
Conkeldurr
Jellicent
Gyarados
Blissey (Flamethrower)
Infernape
Espeon (HP Fire)
Vaporeon
Volcarona
Salamence (Fire Blast) - [Gyro Ball]
Ninetales
Hydreigon [Gyro Ball]
Breloom
Kingdra
Tentacruel
Scrafty
Lucario
Chandelure
Cloyster
Magnezone [Earthquake]
Machamp
Toxicroak [Earthquake]
Hippowdon
Celebi (HP Fire)
Electivire [Earthquake]
Zapdos
Togekiss
Venusaur (HP Fire)
Arcanine [Earthquake]
Whimsicott
Snorlax (Fire Punch)
Milotic
Darmanitan [Earthquake]
Donphan
Sigilyph
Zoroark
Victini [Earthquake]
Slowbro
Quagsire
Mew
Dusclops
Charizard
Gastrodon
Hitmontop
Gallade
Dusknoir
Suicune
Azumarill
Gorebyss
Empoleon [Earthquake]
Eelektross
Roserade (HP Fire)
Tangrowth (HP Fire)
Blastoise
Shaymin (HP Fire)
Xatu
Spiritomb
Rotom-H
Weezing
Lanturn
etc...