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[MaNiAc]
05-22-2011, 09:25 PM
Well most of us know that Blaziken was moved up to Ubers because of the Speed Boost ability... which sucks D:!

Now the question is, is Speed Boost Combusken viable in the OU/UU metagame? It's stats definitely fail in comparison to its epic evolution, but there are options.

Speedy Combusken
Combusken @ Eviolite
Adamant Nature
4HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
-Protect
-Swords Dance
-Sky Uppercut
-Flare Blitz/[other physical move here]

The Eviolite helps to boost Combuskens lacking defenses giving it some survivability. Protect is a must to get that first-turn Speed Boost. Swords Dance is there to boost your Attack stat when able. The only thing left would be to rack up that damage with its remaining two move slots.

Comments? Opinions?

BlackSteel
05-23-2011, 12:07 AM
Hmm this is actually a pretty good poke maybe some other move besides sky uppercut

[MaNiAc]
05-23-2011, 12:09 AM
The problem is the Combusken does miss out on some of the great moves that Blaziken can learn. This includes Hi Jump Kick, unfortunately ):

BlackSteel
05-23-2011, 12:15 AM
yea that kinda sucks that it can't learn hi jump kick sad face but if you make your combuskin more on the offensive side spa and attack you can give it vacuum wave and or focus blast

[MaNiAc]
05-23-2011, 03:09 AM
A Special Combusken would be interesting, but it lacks a move to increase its power. You also can't have Vacuum Wave on a Speed Boost set because it is a Gen IV move only. It is a lot more limited with a Special move set. Though I suppose you could run:

Special Speed Boost
Combusken @Eviolite/Life Orb
Modest Nature
4 HP/ 252 SpAtk/ 252 Spe
-Protect
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power - Grass/Rock

theBlob
05-23-2011, 02:17 PM
I like the idea, but didnt Sharpedo get Speed Boost? Use him instead?

[MaNiAc]
05-23-2011, 04:26 PM
That's a whole other Pokémon discussion there, lol.

theBlob
05-23-2011, 04:41 PM
Yeah but... Combusken seems like a waste of time for an ability when a perfectly good fully-evolved pokemon has the same ability

Spoofy
05-23-2011, 06:51 PM
Yeah Sharpedo with aqua-jet waterfall crunch and protect or icebeam. Though Ferrothorn would be a perfect counter. But lets not get off topic. ;)

theBlob
05-23-2011, 07:42 PM
How about HP fire, Protect, Waterfall, Crunch?
Shame he doesnt have Baton Pass.

WHICH REMINDS ME why not give Combusken baton pass?

[MaNiAc]
05-23-2011, 09:22 PM
I suppose it would be possible to run a sort of Baton Pass Combusken. Maybe:

Baton Pass Combusken
Combusken @Eviolite
Impish/Careful Nature
252 Hp/ 4 Atk/ 252 Spe
-Protect
-Swords Dance/Flare Blitz
-Substitute/Flare Blitz
-Baton Pass

Of course, this is immensely outclassed by the likes of Ninjask...

PKMNbattleSchemes
05-24-2011, 01:11 AM
speed boost blaze shouldn't even be uber
the right player can easily take him down
ah well.......smogon beats all dosn't it :J

Aura Master
05-24-2011, 01:12 AM
Combusken does pale in comparison, but these are interesting ideas. I like the first set and the special set, as they seem like they would have a chance

PokemonHunter
05-24-2011, 09:20 PM
Cant combueskin learn roost? In that case, use a wall combueskin. might be so stupid it might work! XD

GDItsMeInTheFlesh
05-24-2011, 11:33 PM
I've seen it run. It's not worth it imo. It can be easily 1HKO'd.

domthebomb
05-25-2011, 12:54 AM
the moveset 4 cobusken
protect
baton pass
shy uppercut
flare blitz

Ante
06-03-2011, 03:09 AM
Combuskin speed boost = FAIL!!!

doctJ
06-23-2011, 12:53 AM
you should consider using your combustion as a baton passer

[MaNiAc]
06-23-2011, 08:29 AM
Well Speed Boost Combusken fails in OU, but I could see it used in RU, perhaps. Although it does have some competition with Sharpedo, though Sharpedo is, to me, far more limited as it can't boost it's attack or Baton Pass out.

Plus a max attack unboosted Sky Uppercut could easily OHKO Sharpedo when Eviolite max attack Combusken can survive a max attack Aqua Jet from Sharpedo.

[MuSiCa]
06-23-2011, 08:39 AM
;50871']Well Speed Boost Combusken fails in OU, but I could see it used in RU, perhaps. Although it does have some competition with Sharpedo, though Sharpedo is, to me, far more limited as it can't boost it's attack or Baton Pass out.

Plus a max attack unboosted Sky Uppercut could easily OHKO Sharpedo when Eviolite max attack Combusken can survive a max attack Aqua Jet from Sharpedo.

Sharpedo outspeeds Combusken xD

IMO forget Eviolite.

Combusken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Sky Uppercut
- Shadow Claw / Protect
- Rock Slide / Protect

Btw DW Combusken is currently released only as Male, just sayin'

Oh, there are better Baton Passers too. Ninjask actually works much better than this guy, and it's NU. Really, it works much better.

[MaNiAc]
06-23-2011, 08:57 AM
Sharpedo outspeeds Combusken xD

IMO forget Eviolite.

Combusken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Sky Uppercut
- Shadow Claw / Protect
- Rock Slide / Protect

Btw DW Combusken is currently released only as Male, just sayin'

Oh, there are better Baton Passers too. Ninjask actually works much better than this guy, and it's NU. Really, it works much better.

And here goes the Combusken hater again... lol

It's already been mentioned that Ninjask outclasses Combusken as a Baton Passer.

I also would personally prefer the extra bulk that the Eviolite provides over a Life Orb.

And yes Sharpedo outspeeds Combusken, but if it has a few speed boosts on it already, you're okay, otherwise you would just switch out.

doctJ
06-26-2011, 02:06 AM
i use my combusten as a baton passer

Jake The Zeike
07-19-2011, 06:37 AM
baton passing combusken is ok, but if you want protect, sd, and baton pass, then it limits you to one attacking move. And as many have said before me, there are better baton passers out there

DudeMewCanFly
07-19-2011, 05:32 PM
How the heck did i miss this? My friends at school have given me the nickname eviolite due to the fact that when i discovered the item i was trying it out on EVERYTHING.... this one i haven't tried however I think ima be putting it to good use.

[MaNiAc]
07-21-2011, 07:02 AM
How could you not try it! I love Combusken!

It has several interesting set ideas! And I personally think it can be very viable (in RU at least)!