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Elevator Music
10-19-2008, 03:12 AM
A bit premature yes. But Wildcard hasn't replied to my post and I'm getting sick of waiting. So I'm making my own based off of Gamethology's and my "important speeds", which will arbitrarily be in blue. I also took out pokemon I felt were irrelevant and Garchomp, who is banned.

I'm cool enough to do this without permission.

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How To Read:
+pers means a postive nature, such as Jolly or Timid. A number by the name of a pokemon means they invest that many Speed EVs. The number on the left is the actual speed they hit. Scarf means they are holding the item Choice Scarf.

Important Speeds:
These are marked in blue so they stand out. This list should be like a Speed Tier list inside a Speed Tier list. The important Speeds are the more centralizing speeds of the game, because these pokemon are generally more common so it is usually worth it to outspeed them. As such, most pokemon set their speeds around these. As an example, it is more important you EV your Mamoswine to outspeed Adamant Tyranitar than it is for you to outspeed Jolly Ursaring. The other speeds are still helpful for references, and it can be worth it to invest in outspeeding them.


Tier 1
- 541 - +pers/252 Scarf Azelf, Starmie (Base 115)
- 529 - 252 Scarf Shaymin-s (Base 127)
- 525 - +pers/252 Scarf Gengar (Base 110)
- 504 - +pers/252 Deoxys-e (Base 180)
- 493 - 252 Scarf Azelf, Starmie (Base 115)
- 478 - 252 Scarf Gengar (Base 110)
- 460 - +pers/252 Ninjask (Base 160)
- 435 - +pers Deoxys-e (Base 180)
- 454 - 220 Scarf Infernape (Base 108)
- 433 - 252 Motor Driven Electivire (Base 95)
- 426 - +pers/252 Scarf Medicham (Base 80)
- 418 - 252 Scarf Porygon-Z (Base 90)
- 417 - +pers/252 Scarf Heatran (Base 77)
- 416 - +pers/252 Electrode (Base 140)
- 408 - 252 Scarf Rotom-c/f/h/s/w (Base 86)
- 403 - 252 Scarf Heracross, Pinsir (Base 85)
- 394 - +pers/252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (Base 130)
- 388 - +pers/252 Shaymin-s (Base 127)
- 383 - +pers/252 Weavile, Swellow (Base 125)
- 379 - 252 Scarf Heatran (Base 77)
- 372 - +pers/252 Dugtrio, Alakazam, Sceptile (Base 120)
- 361 - +pers/252 Azelf, Starmie, Raikou, Ambipom, Floatzel (Base 115)
- 359 - 252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (Base 130)
- 353 - 252 Shaymin-s (Base 127)
- 350 - +pers/252 Gengar, Frosslass, Jumpluff, Tauros, Espeon (Base 110)
- 346 - +pers/252 Infernape (Base 108)

These are the "fast" pokemon. Commonly your revenge killers and lategame sweepers. There are a lot of blue numbers here for a reason; The OU metagame is very speed and priority oriented when it comes to sweeping.


Tier 2
- 339 - 252 Dugtrio, Alakazam, Sceptile (Base 120)
- 339 - +pers/252 Mismagius, Scyther, Rapidash, Manectric (Base 105)
- 329 - 252 Raikou, Azelf, Starmie, Ambipom, Floatzel (Base 115)
- 328 - +pers/252 Salamence, Zapdos, Slaking, Celebi, Staraptor, Jirachi, Entei, (Base 100)
- 319 - 252 Frosslass, Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (Base 110)
- 317 - +pers/252 Electivire, Yanmega, Houndoom, Arcanine (Base 95)
- 309 - +pers/252 Rotom, Chatot (Base 91)
- 308 - +pers/216 Gliscor (Base 95)
- 306 - +pers/252 Lucario, Porygon- Z, Moltres, Roserade (Base 90)
- 299 - 252 Salamence, Zapdos, Slaking, Staraptor, Entei (Base 100)
- 295 - +pers/252 Heracross, Pinsir, Toxicroak (Base 85)
- 291 - +pers/252 Magmortar (Base 83)
- 287 - +pers/252 Gyarados (Base 81)
- 284 - +pers/252 Togekiss, Blaziken, Dragonite, Gallade, Gardevoir, Mamoswine (Base 80)

The astute will notice that there are not a lot of blue numbers here. Most pokemon in this speed group decide to go bulky or wear a nice Choice Scarf to make up for their speed problems. The exceptions here are Lucario and Salamence, and the occasional Jolly Gyarados.


Tier 3
- 281 - 252 Rotom (Base 91)
- 280 - 176 Salamence (Base 100)
- 279 - 252 Lucario, Porygon- Z, Moltres, Roserade (Base 90)
- 278 - +pers/252 Heatran (Base 77)
- 273 - +pers/252 Smeargle (Base 75)
- 269 - 252 Heracross, Pinsir (Base 85)
- 265 - 252 Magmortar (Base 83)
- 262 - +pers/252 Breloom, Metagross (Base 70)
- 261 - 252 Gyarados (Base 81)
- 259 - 252 Togekiss, Blaziken, Dragonite, Gallade, Gardevoir, Mamoswine (Base 80)
- 253 - 252 Heatran (Base 77)
- 246 - 40 Zapdos, Celebi (Base 100)
- 243 - +pers/252 Tyranitar (Base 61)
- 240 - 58 Gliscor (Base 95)
- 239 - 252 Breloom (Base 70)

The only notable pokemon at the top of this tier are the aforementioned Lucario and Salamence. Some may decide to go Adamant/Modest. The huge gap between 253 and 279 is a barren land, where the uncommon pokemon roam. You don't see too many pokemon with a Speed in between these, because as I stated before, they either put on a Choice Scarf or go bulky.


Tier 4
- 229 - +pers/252 Machamp, Ursaring (Base 55)
- 226 - Gliscor (Base 95)
- 221 - 252 Tyranitar (Base 61)
- 217 - 76 Gyarados (Base 81)
- 208 - Rotom-c/f/h/s/w (Base 86)
- 207 - +pers/252 Marowak (Base 45)
- 206 - Suicune, Cresselia (Base 85)
- 202 - AgiliGross (Base 70)
- 198 - Milotic (Base 81)
- 196 - Gallade, Gardevoir (Base 80)

Most of the pokemon in this tier boost Speed via Dragon Dance/Agility/etc. Other than that, the fastest walls and bulky pokemon reside here.


Tier 5
- 176 - Skarmory, Metagross (Base 70)
- 166 - Scizor, Vaporeon (Base 65)
- 157 - Tyranniboah (Base 61)
- 156 - Weezing, Swampert, Magnezone (Base 60)
- 146 - Blissey, Machamp (Base 55)
- 136 - Registeel, Regice, Regirock, Donphan, Tangrowth (Base 50)
- 130 - Hippowdon (Base 47)
- 126 - Dusknoir (Base 45)
- 116 - Rhyperior, Forretress (Base 40)
- 106 - Spiritomb (Base 35)

Your really slow walls and other pokemon. Scizor, who doesn't need to invest in Speed also resides here, but you won't be hitting before him unless you resist Steel/Normal or if you have a faster priority move.


Tier 6
- 96 - Snorlax, Slowbro, Steelix, Bastiodon (Base 30)
- 76 - (-pers, 0 Speed IV) Forretress (Base 40)
- 63 - (-pers, 0 Speed IV) Bronzong (Base 33)
- 41 - Shuckle (Base 5)

These pokemon are the slowest of slow. But they either don't care like Shuckle and Snorlax, or use it to their advantage like Bronzong and Forretress.

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Credit for the rough outline goes to Pokethology/Gamethology, who I never would have done this without.

Statigar
10-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Excellent work. This piece has been approved and will make it onto the site!

Elevator Music
10-19-2008, 04:00 PM
In that case, I fixed small typos and stuff.

If anybody wants to make suggestions, that's fine. If you think a certain Speed is an important number, feel free to suggest it.

Also, I added in Jolly Gliscor, which I failed to include before.

FYS-guard
10-20-2008, 09:46 AM
I reckon the scarfed infernape needs to be added. they aernt common but once people see just how good they are, they will become common in teams. they are rash or naughty nature and are given this much EV in speed:220, making 307 speed. so off a scarf, thats 454 speed.

Kuja20
10-20-2008, 10:13 AM
maybe a lighter shade of blue, or a colour that is more visible please and thank you :)

Elevator Music
10-20-2008, 11:35 PM
Used a less saturated blue for the sake of eyes. =)

I'll consider Scarf Infernape. If somebody else has a word to put it for it, that'll be a good decision maker.

Jari
10-21-2008, 02:00 AM
I think 372 and 383 are important numbers. Dugtrio, Alakazam and Weavile are quite common in OU while Swellow's the most common UU Pokemon.

Kuja20
10-21-2008, 06:11 AM
i think scarf infernape is an important speed, they might not be as popular now, but i have still seen the occasional one.

Elevator Music
10-22-2008, 01:26 AM
I added in Scarf Infernape. Base 120 and 125 aren't going to be considered for blue because neither Dugtrio or Weavile (or Zam) are used too much.

They'll stay as they are unless the whole site yells at me to make them blue.

Kuja20
10-22-2008, 09:36 AM
I added in Scarf Infernape. Base 120 and 125 aren't going to be considered for blue because neither Dugtrio or Weavile (or Zam) are used too much.

They'll stay as they are unless the whole site yells at me to make them blue.
*yells* BLUE BLUE BLUE, naw im jk but yeh i agree with you, Alakazam is BL anyway its not used that often, Dugtrio is used more but still not much, and the only pokes with 383 speed are Weavile and Swellow and neither are used much in OU so yeh not important

FYS-guard
10-22-2008, 09:53 AM
Im not sure if its common in the metagame these days, but i also think the good ol' standard DD mence with LO deserves a mention. Nature adamant, speed EVs:136. This gets it to 270, which is one ahead of the adamant heracross and pinsirs which have 252ev

Kuja20
10-22-2008, 11:38 AM
Im not sure if its common in the metagame these days, but i also think the good ol' standard DD mence with LO deserves a mention. Nature adamant, speed EVs:136. This gets it to 270, which is one ahead of the adamant heracross and pinsirs which have 252evits only there to outrun heracross: which is already on the speed tier. I doubt that you need to add DD mence to the list

Elevator Music
11-13-2008, 02:43 AM
I posted this on Marriland, hope nobody minds.


Also, I noticed on site the blue font doesn't show, which is kind of important...