Just going to make a quick simple counter guide like that of Gen 4 that I made a while ago. Hopefully this helps you with finding your team's weakneses and adding a Pokemon to fix your team's weakness. This should also help you understand how well things are countered this gen.
If you find any errors or have a question, you may post on this thread.
Key:
*Pokemon is highlighted Red.
*Item that the Pokemon is based its power are in italics and green.
*Commonly used moves are colored Orange
*Moves inside [brackets] are the moves that the counter Pokemon cannot resist well and should be taken into suspicion when in battle.
*Pokemon + (move), meaning that that Pokemon must have the given move to be a viable counter.
*Pokemons that are highlighted in Blue are competitively and statistically the best counter for that Pokemon. Usually Pokemon that are greatly resistant to damages from common Stealth Rock damage and/or are able to recover their HP with priority recovery moves and still be able to counter the Pokemon are given this position.
Ferrothorn
-- Leftovers -- Power Whip, Gyro Ball, Leech Seed, Spikes, Stealth Rock
Spoiler!
Tyranitar
-- Leftovers -- Stealth Rock, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, Crunch, Pursuit, Superpower, Stone Edge
Spoiler!
-- Choice Band -- Stone Edge, Crunch, Pursuit, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Earthquake
Spoiler!
Scizor
-- Leftovers -- Swords Dance, Roost, Bug Bite, Bullet Punch
Spoiler!
-- Choice Band -- U-turn, Superpower, Bullet Punch, Pursuit, Bug Bite, Quick Attack
Spoiler!
Gliscor
-- Toxic Orb -- Earthquake, Protect, Fling, Acrobatics, Swords Dance, Taunt, Ice Fang, Facade
Spoiler!
Gengar
-- Life Orb -- Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Pain Split, Disable, Substitute, HP Fire, Thunderbolt
Spoiler!
Excadrill
-- Air Balloon / Life Orb -- Swords Dance, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Rapid Spin, X-Scissor, Return/Frustration, Brick Break
Spoiler!
Politoed
-- Leftovers / Choice Scarf -- Surf, Scald, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Psychic, Toxic, Haze, Perish Song, Encore, HP Electric, Focus Blast
Spoiler!
-- Choice Specs -- Hydro Pump, Focus Blast, Ice Beam, HP Electric, Surf, HP Grass, Scald
Spoiler!
Reuniclus
-- Leftovers -- Calm Mind, Recover, Psychic, Focus Blast, Psyshock, Shadow Ball
Spoiler!
-- Life Orb -- Trick Room, Psychic, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Psyshock, Calm Mind, HP Fire
Spoiler!
Dragonite
-- Leftovers -- Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Roost, Thunder Wave, Substitute, Dragon Tail, ExtremeSpeed, Outrage
Spoiler!
-- Choice Band -- Outrage, Fire Punch, ExtremeSpeed, Earthquake, Dragon Claw
Spoiler!
Conkeldurr
-- Leftovers -- Bulk Up, Drain Punch, Payback, Mach Punch, Stone Edge
Spoiler!
Heatran
-- Air Balloon / Choice Scarf -- Fire Blast / Hidden Power Ice / Earth Power / Flame Charge / Hidden Power Grass / Dragon Pulse / Stealth Rock
Spoiler!
Latios
-- Choice Specs / Life Orb -- Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Surf, Trick, Hidden Power [Fire], Thunderbolt, Psychock
Spoiler!
Thundurus
-- Life Orb / Leftovers / Lum Berry -- Nasty Plot / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ice / Focus Blast / Thunder / Thunder Wave / Taunt / Substitute
Spoiler!
Jellicent
-- Leftovers -- Scald, Recover, Taunt, Will-o-wisp, Toxic, Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Surf
Spoiler!
Skarmory
-- Leftovers / Shed Shell -- Brave Bird, Spikes, Roost, Whirlwind, Stealth Rock, Taunt
Spoiler!
Rotom-W
-- Leftovers / Choice Scarf -- Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt / Will-o-wisp / Pain Split / Volt Switch / Hidden Power Fire / Trick / Thunder Wave / Hidden Power Ice
Spoiler!
Blissey
-- Leftovers -- Seismic Toss, Toxic, Aromatherapy, Softboil, Wish, Protect, Thunder Wave, Flamethrower, Heal Bell
Spoiler!
Infernape
-- Life Orb / Choice Scarf -- Close Combat, Fire Blast, Mach Punch, U-turn, Overheat, Stone Edge, HP Ice, Grass Knot, Nasty Plot
Spoiler!
Starmie
-- Life Orb -- Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Rapid Spin, Psychic, Recover, Thunder
Spoiler!
Jirachi
-- Leftovers -- Iron Head, Wish, Protect, Body Slam, Fire Punch, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Thunder
Spoiler!
-- Leftovers -- Substitute, Calm Mind, Thunder, Psychic, Water Pulse, Flash Cannon, Wish, Thunderbolt
Spoiler!
Gyarados
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Bounce, Earthquake, Taunt, Stone Edge, Roar, Rest, Sleep Talk, Ice Fang, Dragon Tail
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Taunt, Dragon Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar, Dragon Tail
Dragon Dance:
Spoiler!
Impish Resttalk:
Spoiler!
Espeon
--Leftovers/Light Clay-- Light Screen, Reflect, Psychic, Baton Pass, Morning Sun, Psycho Shock, Shadow Ball, Wish, Substitute, Hidden Power Fighting
Dual Screens:
Spoiler!
--Leftovers-- Calm Mind, Baton Pass, Psychic, Substitute, Light Screen, Reflect, Shadow Ball, Psyshock
Baton Pass:
Spoiler!
Vaporeon
--Leftovers-- Surf, Wish, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Rest, Protect, Toxic, Scald, Hidden Power [Grass/Electric], Baton Pass
Physically Defensive:
Spoiler!
Volcarona
-- Leftovers/Chesto Berry/Life Orb -- Fiery Dance / Quiver Dance / Bug Buzz / Hidden Power Ground / Rest / Hidden Power Rock / Morning Sun / Substitute
Spoiler!
Haxorus
-- Lum Berry/Choice Scarf/Life Orb -- Dragon Dance / Earthquake / Outrage / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Taunt
Spoiler!
-- Choice Band -- Outrage / Earthquake / Brick Break / Dual Chop / Dragon Claw
Spoiler!
Salamence
--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Dragon Dance, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Roost
Spoiler!
--Life Orb/ Lum Berry/ Leftovers-- Draco Meteor, Outrage, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fire Blast, Brick Break, Roost
Spoiler!
Breloom
--Toxic Orb--Spore, Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Stone Edge, Mach Punch
Spoiler!
Hydreigon
-- Choice Scarf / Life Orb / Expert Belt -- Fire Blast / Surf / Dark Pulse / Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Focus Blast / U-turn / Dragon Pulse
Spoiler!
Forretress
-- Leftovers/Shed Shell -- Spikes / Rapid Spin / Toxic Spikes / Volt Switch / Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Earthquake
Spoiler!
I really appreciate the time that you have put into this Eternal.
However, some Pokemon have wrong moves listed next to them. For example, in Gliscor's counters section, Thundurus (and others) have Ice Fang listed next to them, when it should be a different ice move.
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Oh no, check the "key." When it's inside a parenthesis, it means that you need that move to sufficiently counter the target. Like Tangrowth for example, I listed HP Ice inside a parenthesis. Whereas, when it's inside a bracket it means that even though this Pokemon is able to counter the target, it still fears the opposing move inside the bracket. Hope that clears things up.Originally Posted by steel dragons
Great work Eternal and I think that is gonna be very useful to a lot of people. A few things:
-Blissey does fear the Sub-Split combo from Gengar.
-I've seen some very little typos, like Kojondo or Gastrogon.
-How can Gyro Ball be a threat to Virizion and Thundurus (since Thundurus resists it)?
-Max HP and SpDef Conkeldurr can actually counter Gengar.
-Even with Air Balloon, Excadrill can still kill Heatran if it carries Brick Break.
PS: lol I also misunderstood that.
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Careful 252/252 Conkeldurr takes 39.13% - 45.89% from Shadow Ball. I guess you can use it to handle Gengar, but not sufficiently counter.
Gyro Ball from Ferrothorn does 34% - 40.33% to Thundurus and 62.04% - 73.15% to Virizion, which is quite a lot to be called a sufficient counter.
Brick Break Excadrill is very uncommon and still fails to come close to OHKO'ing Heatran. Whereas Air Balloon Heatran is listed as a "viable" counter because it can come in on an Earthquake and revenge kill.
Nah, that's alright. I got this covered. I was thinking of making another kind of competitive guide where I would need a help on though. Let me know if you're interested.
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A few things I noticed -
-Scizor's SD set should have more emphasis on Excadrill. It really can't do much do the bugger.
-For Scizor's band set you have Magnezone emphasized, but then you have Superpower in brackets. Not sure if this is because of Magnet Pull, but I noticed it anyway.
-I had to do calcs for this one, but, Conkeldurr can't switch into and Drain Punch Adamant LO Excadrill's Earthquake or Swords Dance, and Mach Punch can only do 63.7% - 75.3% (Against 0/0 Excadrill, I'm honestly not sure how much is invested into bulk for Excadrill.) It should probably be noted that Conkeldurr only counters under certain circumstances.
-Superpower should be added as a choice on Dragonite's Band set, as it covers Heatran, while also doing heavy damage to the other listed counters.
-It should be noted that some Conkeldurr run Earthquake, although it is slightly uncommon.
-It should be slashed in that Breloom really doesn't like to switch into Jellicent's Scald or Will-o-Wisp either.
-Should be noted that Infernape IS allowed ThunderPunch with Iron Fist.
-Rotom-W is a very decent Starmie counter.
Well, that's all I can find for now. Hope it's useful, somewhat.
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Thanks, I'll fix them.
Well, here's Gyarados's counters.
Gyarados
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Dragon Dance, Bounce, Earthquake, Taunt, Stone Edge, Roar, Rest, Sleep Talk, Ice Fang, Dragon Tail
--Leftovers-- Waterfall, Taunt, Dragon Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Roar, Dragon Tail
Dragon Dance:
Spoiler!
Impish Resttalk:
Spoiler!
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